Holyfield vs. Tyson in 91

I think Tyson was a little too rough and she took it the wrong way and probably wanted money too.

 

Holyfield brawled with Cooper........who took the fight on a weeks notice......for no reason attempted to brawl with fossil foreman, he could have shut the old man out by simply boxing, ultimately brawled with Bowe who beat him from pillar to post.

Conclusion....at this stage of his career Holyfield would, guaranteed, brawl with tyson and go to sleep......the body punching would do him in.

Tyson was maybe 50% when Holyfield met him eventually, timing, defense, combo punching was all gone......but was still there in 91 and he could go 12 no problem.

Douglas did not brawl with Tyson......Holyfiled in their actual encounter did not brawl, Lewis facing the ghost of Tyson did not brawl.....because you do not brawl with a prime or close to prime, even a shot version with tyson.....you get f 'ed up......ask Botha, who boxed and frustrated a shot Tyson but became brave and bang,,,,

 

I got back and forth on this one. At the moment I think Mike would stop him thinking about the Cooper fight in 1991.

 

A jury of his peers had the evidence in front of them, we did not, and concluded he was guilty. Tyson lost his appeal and served his time. If in 1991 you had said to me come 2020 Tyson would still be alive and seemingly relatively happy with life, I would have had a fair wager he would not...

That Tyson has seemingly controlled these issues is a credit to him. I do not think it helps to pick it apart with speculation.

 

I reckon tyson. Tyson could have and should have been the best of them all for years. The truth is he completely blew it.....by basically training and living like an amatuer. Even then he was so good he still was able to compete at the top level. Just below the top guys. If he,d have continued to train the way cus had him training....he,d have beaten both holyfield and lewis. He never tho....and they went on to achieve far more than him in the end.

Fair play to the career he had tho...considering he was probably destined for jail or murdered. He done well tbh. Just could have done much better. Whereas lewis and holyfield really pushed every last ounce out of their talents

 

A jury of his 'peers' in Indiana. My own view is that Tyson was not defended well at all. Don King's attorney did Mike a huge disservice. The basic elements of the case lack some aspects of common Sense. I'm not Tyson fan. I think he was targeted because of who he was and what he had. Mike's behavior didn't help. At that time he was going downhill. Not sure he was a ******.

 

That is fair enough. As you suggest being black in the US has issues when being judged by your peers. But everything I remember about the case suggested Tyson had something to answer for, and I was comfortable in this instance that justice was done. But clearly this is not always the case for black Americans, so I understand the skepticism.

 

Holy all day.

Contrary to popular opinion, both had gained about 5 lbs of muscle in '96 compared to '91. So that's a wash. Holy had clearly lost more speed of hand and foot. And you can't watch their previous fights and say that Tyson looked like the one who had lost timing and reflexes. The Seldon fight didn't tell us much, but his timing look great against Bruno while Holy's timing hadn't looked right since Bowe 2 in '93.

These are the facts that get swept under the rug.

As for conditioning, yes, Holy looked strong in the fight, even though he hadn't since - wait for it - Bowe 2. He obviously was in much better shape than in Bowe 3. Mike couldn't match him for endurance and started gassing after 5 rounds.

The problem is that we don't have one fight to suggest that Mike could keep it up for a 12 round trench war. And don't bring me "he didn't even look winded against Smith and Tucker". I'm a 44 year old state employe and can probably go 12 rds against someone who's only covering up. Being in the trenches with a beast like Holy is a wholly different thing. Maybe prime Mike could have done that, but we have nothing to suggest it.

 

Holyfield beats him from 1989 on!