Holyfield will always be better than Lewis and Wlad

Wow, wow. Just wow. That is an astronomically bad card. I can't really talk with you about boxing any more if that's how you score fights. Wow. Lennox outlanded him 348 to 130. It's mind boggling that you found 5 rounds to give to Holyfield. I don't want to put you on the ignore list because I feel like you're a nice guy underneath all the bluster but if you really scored that fight 7-5 then I just can't take anything you say seriously.

 

really? Thomas, Dokes, Stewart, Douglas, Foreman, Holmes,Bowe, Younger Tyson, Mercer before lewis, Moorer, Rashman atsch

 

Douglas :rofl:rofl

 

Thomas?
Jesus christ, Pinklan Thomas is an important win? He lost 5 out of 6 fights in the stretch where Holy fought him. Zeljkko Mavrovic was better than him at the time Holy met Thomas.

Stewart?
The guy only has any name whatsoever because of the manner in which Tyson blew him away. He is irrelevant to Holy's resume. I'll take Tommy Morrison over this win 8 days a week.

Dokes?
A brief paper champ. That's a career defining win? atsch

Foreman?
40 years old and has openly admitted he wanted nothing to do with Lennox Lewis in his comeback.

Holmes?
Ya, that was a real prime 42 year old Larry out there. Incidentally, Larry went on to lose to Oliver McCall not long after.

Bowe?
This has been addressed. He lost 2 out of 3 fights and 75% of both men's resume at HW are based off these fights.

Tyson?
These are his true best wins along with the 1 Bowe win I suppose.

Moorer?
He lost to Moorer as well. It is scary to think what Lennox's right hand would have done to that chin.

 

yeah the same douglas that koed a prime tyson to be the undisputed hw champion of the world.....same one that had a better record than the crazy drunk maccall who koed lewis in 2 rounds :hi:

 

Do you know what happened "The MC Hammer of Boxing" after he KO'd Tyson? He blew up in weight and lost his focus. He was never that good to begin with, but a one-hit wonder, that was actually KO'd by Tyson anyway during that fight but it wasn't counted right.

Douglas IS NOT a great win. Neither is Rahman or some of the other ones you noted. :hi:

 

Please at least try to defend this, I have to know what you are watching to score the fight this way.

Lets take round 7 as an example:
Holyfield THROWS 21 punches and lands 8
Lennox LANDS 33 punches.
He landed more than Holy threw! He hurt him 3 times. After the round Lampley goes "BIG ROUND FOR LENNOX LEWIS".

There are other rounds that are almost as egregious but this round alone tells me you have never watched the fight.

 

P4P Holyfield ranks higher due to his achievements at cruiser. But at heavy Lewis ranks slightly higher. Holyfield's 2 best wins over Bowe and Tyson were against fighters that were avoiding Lewis, Holyfield has said so himself. They ducked Lewis and fought him instead and he benefited.

People always bring up Lewis losses to McCall and Rahman but Holyfield lost in his prime to Bowe and Moorer. Both these men other than their wins over Evander had little depth to their resume.

People say Lewis best win over Evander was against a faded Holyfield. But Bowe was overweight in the rematch and Tyson had clearly declined.

Also you have to wonder how much of Holyfield's achievements were down to him or down to Evan fields. You can pick apart both men's resume if you want but if you do you have to judge both with equal scrutiny and under equal scrutiny Lewis for me edges Holyfield but it's close and and I have no issue with anyone ranking Holyfield higher as it's hardly an outlandish opinion.

As for Wlad he isn't even in the equation. Lewis and Holyfield are both locks for the top 10 ATG heavies, Wlad for me is just outside the top 10.

 

Thank you. This is what I think as well. Not taking anything away from Holyfield in the terms of who he fought, and the heart that he showed, or the great show that he put on for the fans. That he is great in these terms, as well as in his skills, is undeniable.

BUT: he lost too much. :think The credit he gets for facing certain tough fighters has also got to reflect in reverse in terms of his losses.

Lewis imho is much better than Holyfield in terms of resume, having no unavenged losses and the Vitali win, and he proved he is better H2H as well. Arguing otherwise is simple fanboyism. :roll:

Wladimir has a much better resume than Holyfield as well, having only three losses balanced against an iron-fisted rule of the heavyweight division. :hey Holyfield never managed to pull off a fraction of the dominance or longevity or raw stats that Wladimir has. H2H I believe that Holyfield would have suffered a brutal beating, because Klitschko is exactly the sort of technical fighter (backed up by a huge size and power advantage) to give him fits. :thumbsup

 

I go with Lewis hands down. He defeated all his opponents, won all the belts and was very avoided fighter back in the 90´s. His resume is solid. I like Holyfield as well but he was no super HW. I think H2H Wlad would beat s.. out of Holy. Wlad would be one of the hardest fight for Lewis as well but I give an edge to Lewis although it could go eather way..

 

Lewis and Holyfield beat Wlad.

 

Yup. Forget Wlad vs Holy, I know how that turns out. I wanted to see Lewis vs Wlad. :yep

 

Lewis maybe. Holyfield goes to the hospital.

 

doubt it

 

Wlad wouldn't beat prime Mercer