Holyfield's accomplishments

So because one of your heroes got caught that automatically means everyone else used them as well? Nice try. The burden of proof is on you here. The 80s and 90s was known as a lost generation for HWs. The one guy who happened to stay relatively consistent during that period also happened to mysteriously transform his body, pack on 40 pounds of solid ripped muscle in an endurance sport when he was past ****rty improved his stamina, maintained his speed, and actually got stronger, harder hitting, etc without losing a step, trained with a walking steroid pill, then suffered heart problems and premature balding and just happened to get caught buying the one thing that can magically do all that to a human body so that makes everyone else guilty and his accomplishments just as shiny as they appeared to be BEFORE anyone took a close look... :-(

 

Please show me where Holyfield got caught... Guess I'll be in for a long wait.

Well if your quest is to put on lean muscle mass what better way than to employ the Mr Olympia legend Lee Haney, an expert in the field.

And I went bald at around 21-22, have I taken steroids?? I mean I'm around 100kg and you can see my 4 pack, got to be steroids...

 

evan fields

 

That old chestnut, who busted him then? Names please.

 

I simply don't care.
Moden athletes take steroids or other chemical assistance. (By 'modern' here I mean 1960s onwards). You can't buck scientific progress.
The whole anti-doping thing is a hypocrisy and a racket.

If you don't believe that Tyson, Dokes, Mercer, Thomas, Rahman, Bowe, Stewart etc. EVER used drugs that's on you.

There's no burden of proof on me. I don't have to prove that any individual elite heavyweight boxer takes hormones or PEDs. It's common sense that the vast majority do. It's like a club of strippers having silicone implant, we don't need to have a positive X-Ray or even seen the strippers, we know what goes on.

Again, I've never seen Holyfield as any more of a "dirty fighter" than Lewis, Bowe or Tyson.

 

The story appeared in Sports Illustrated.
Which doesn't make it legit nor illegit.

To me, it's irrelevant who got busted and who didn't (unless it's Mayweather because he's actually put himself out there as the "clean saviour" of drug-infested boxing. ).

Anyone who thinks that PROFESSIONAL boxers at the elite level won't be using PEDs when it's absolutely easy to pass the tests is deluding themselves.

Anyway, as late as 1992 the WBC were saying they don't explicitly prohibit the use of steroids.

The anti-performance-enhancement drugs bandwagon is a relevant recent thing. In the days of Muhammad Ali and Joe Frazier the only doping people cared to combat was the performance-inhibiting kind where gamblers would poison or moderately sedate the fighter they wanted to lose.
PEDs were generally ignored in those days, or considered peripheral.

 

Firstly.

Wait a until I tell you before you start quacking.

Secondly.

I didn't claim you were anything other than a sicko due to your filthy remark about my 4 year old grand son.

Just recently AFTER you claimed to be a Jafaican drug dealer, I told you ( I didn't claim, there is a big difference ) you were indeed a Walter Mitty, and it wouldn't be the least bit surprising if you were a sicko middle aged white guy.

Try to remember, ask before you start quacking again.:yep

 

Lets just say, in much the same way you fantasise about drug dealing, and children with adults, you fantasise about boxing. Probably like Aunty Bug, the only thing you have boxed is kippers.

 

Toney was busted.:-((

 

I admire Holyfield in his dedication to the sport. In good and bad. Steroid abuse is obvious but similarly it is for any of that era heavy weight and even for today's world champion. Holy was a boxer - brawler with not too much knockout power in his fist. But his movement and desire to commit in close distance is admirable. The close distance fighting like they did with Bowe, for example is a lost art in the hugging ages of today's heavy weight boxing. And so is the dance he did with his muscular frame to carry on.

 

Go to ****ing school and learn what the burden of proof is and who it pertains to. I dont have to prove **** because Holyfield got caught. For you to sit there and throw out names for which there is NO EVIDENCE AT ALL that supposedly used steroids because A. You imagined it and B. It helps you qualify your heroes accomplishments is stupid, irresponsible, and baseless, and as such, yes, the burden of proof is on you. Until then Holyfield blatantly and obviously cheated in against a bunch of people who didnt. Even beyond the fact that Holyfield was caught and you have absolutely no proof to back up your BELIEF the fact remains that out of every name you mentioned only Holyfield looked and performed significantly different than he did when he was in his 20s. Who else got significantly better stamina, stronger, gained a ****load of ripped lean muscle, and got strong enough to go head to head with some truly big strong men when he was getting muscled around in his 20s by guys like Ricky Womack who would be a SMW today at most and an old fat ex LHW Dwight Qawi. And dont give me any bull**** about how young he was because he was past ****rty and his body, by that point was done maturing. Certainly he wasnt naturally putting on 30 pounds of muscle or more and having his traps bulge up like he had inflated them a tire pump. Who else on your list did that? The only guy who comes close was Michael Moorer and he showed up at HW with love handles and significantly less punching power, speed, strength, and durability than he had at LHW. Tyson? Tyson was almost as big at 12 as he was at 27 and now that he is back in shape hes around 220, his prime fight weight. He was legendary in Brooklyn as a teenager for being a monster. Even Holyfield admitted that nobody worked harder than Tyson and thats when Tyson was 18 years old?? You really wanna argue he was on steroids? You really wanna argue that Cus D'amato who had trained two world champions and had been around for decades was so impressed by a 12 year old kid who was kicking the **** out of adult boxers and took him on at first glance was just wrong about Tyson and that they needed to make him special with steroids. **** off. The writing is on the wall for Holyfield like it is for no other HW of that era or before. You say steroids were being used and prevalent since the 60s, fine, show me the boxers who took them and the evidence. You cant because you dont have any. Holyfield not only fails the eyeball test but every other test including the one where he got caught purchasing them. Dont sit here and try to apologize for him, excuse him, and validate him by tearing down people who are innocent until not only proven guilty but until even a smidge of a credible allegation surfaces beyond some nameless guy on a messageboard.

 

Oh "that old chestnut." denial is a river in Egypt...

You are no different than the morons I used to argue with about Lance Armstrong. or Barry Bonds. Nobody likes to hear that their hero is a fraud, most fanboys would rather deny deny deny than be confronted with reality because sports are nothing more than escapist fantasy for them to begin with. Thats why you have some idiots on here who are perfectly fine with steroids. Just like the idiot minority in baseball who WANT steroids to be legal and say things like "I want to see the biggest monster I can hit the ball as far out of the park as inhumanly possible." Yeah, whatever. Whats the point. We might as well go watch a computer animated green hulk wear boxing gloves and punch his opponents head to the moon. Id rather watch a real athletic competition between two humans who arent roided to their eye*****.

 

holyfield wasn't a counterpuncher, although he was talented at that aspect of the game. holyfield was a lead puncher, mostly. no use in saying "why did holyfield trade with bowe?" holyfield was the lead man, for better or for worse, pretty much always (see holyfield-toney, even that late in his game). and you know for sure he was going to lead in close.. ready uppercuts, hooks.. even when he had hepatitis.. 'didn't matter.. he had to lead, mostly. he is THE heavyweight boxer-puncher (lead punch, counter, footwork). he always would have lead over tyson, going back to '89, because he was always a lead guy. started in the olympics, that we saw.

he always surprised those guys, mercer, lewis, tyson, bowe.. like he wasn't going to throw a lead right hand? bullsh*t

that's why i think he would be effective against joe louis. joe would be dealing with a talented+agressive boxer. joe would be on the counter .. which he could do , too. best fight ever. holyfield would take it at joe.

 

so who have you boxed then Foxy?

as well, you still haven't given me your 4th best Heavy of all time yet foxy??

you focus on lots of other non boxing points.

You told me Ali was your number 1, Lennox 2 and Louis number 3, correct Foxy????? Do I need to go and get the post whereby you typed this Foxy???

So who would you rank 4th and or 5th?

Plus, did you ever box? You are making a claim I only boxed kippers so please tell me about your boxing experience Foxy? So as I will understand where you are coming from. If you were a strong amateur or a pro I would then agree with you I had only boxed kippers.

So what are your boxing credentials Foxy?

 

yes, my point you have missed once again Foxy.

You referred to me as a black guy a few weeks ago that was against white plantation owners. You this week refer to me as a middle aged white guy.

My point is obviously SKIN colour is on your mind Foxy.

I on the other hand have never made one single comment about your skin colour as it is not of interest to me.

When I said "we are all racist to a degree" ,, this is one of the MANY specific points I was referring to Foxy. You fit the mold perfectly. You are the only one that keeps injecting SKIN colour into your accusations correct dude?

Foxy, people that are obsessed with the skin colours of others in the hateful way you have accused me of first being black and then white are by definition RACIST.

You can disagree all you want but you are the only individual that has kept referring to my skin colour Foxy. I have made no comments about yours as its not important to me. Please stop referring to me and what skin colour I might be. Its going to get you into trouble just like when you told me you wanted me to get cancer