Holyfield's punch resistance far better than Vitali's?

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  1. The Mongoose

    The Mongoose I honor my bets banned

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    If you go by KO percentage, Vitali is a stronger puncher than Lewis, Wlad, Tyson..etc and that probably isn't the case as the actual fights reveal him breaking fighters down with volume punching.

    I don't think Moorer scored a single one punch KO in his HW career, so not sure what you are going on about. At LHW he was a great puncher, but I wouldn't compare him to Lewis or the great HW bangers.

    He cut Holyfield with his Southpaw jab. Cutting isn't always caused by blunt punching power, it is often caused by technique and angles. The best slashers were usually quick not heavy handed fighters. And Moorer was very effective at pumping that jab out and slicing orthodox fighters. He had good power, but a bigger puncher than Lewis...come on. Lewis has far more significant one shot KOs or early stoppages.
     
  2. Boxmaster

    Boxmaster Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xR3iFRiu-BU[/ame]
    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5Unz7Mlf6s[/ame]

    You can hear the sound of Moorer's punches. They are as hard as Wlads. The only thing Moorer had against him was he was a small heavyweight, the same thing Holyfield and Tyson had against them. I think Moorer in his prime could KO Wlad.
     
  3. Delroc

    Delroc Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Skin Resistance maybe
     
  4. Dorfmeister

    Dorfmeister Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Holyfield was only stunned once and going balls to the wall, caught when he tried to finish Bowe in their rubber match by a short str8 right. Toney's TKO was more of the accumulation of punishment to the body and Don Turner's decision. Vitali was rocked by Sanders early and never really fought toe to toe with anyone, he just smartly dominated fights with his huge reach and height, leaning back on the right foot and jabbing, left hooking and just going for the kill when his opponent was seriously hurt, never took many chances but his chin is as solid as his ironfist I do acknowledge that. I just doubt he would fight Tyson like Holyfield did the first time, absorbing monstrous blows.
     
  5. thawk888

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  6. Royal-T-Bag

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    holyfield is ATG top 10 chins ever.....no doubt about it. dude wasn't a big heavy and took bombs from bigger punchers and better fighters than anyone Vitali has faced.
     
  7. Ted Stickles

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    Evander was tough as nails ,no doubt about it.
     
  8. JeanPaulValley

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    True. Holyfield was past prime when he fought Lewis and wasn't hurt,rocked dropped or anything. Took bombs from the still very strong Foreman,Tyson,only dropped twice in 3 fights with Bowe. Fought Valuev at almost 50 years old and wasnt hurt,rocked or troubled,came back from flush Cooper shots etc.

    Vitali was clearly rocked by Sanders and Lewis. Vitali can certainly be KO'd and would have been KO'd if not for that lean back style and huge height advantage over most opponents.
     
  9. The Mongoose

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    Was it elite power that cut Evander or a southpaw jab hitting his eye?


    Utter non-sense to the rest of your claims. What Moorer had against him was his non-existant defense and poor training habits. There's a reason his claim to fame is getting a gift over a sick Evander (a KD round scored incorrectly by an idiot judge) and giving the belt to a guy Tommy Morrison outboxed.
     
  10. Povetkinfan

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    Vitali was stopped because of a cut and so punch resistance does not come into it! At no point did Lewis look to have hurt Vitali despite the fight being a slugfest. Lewis did not have to engage Holyfield in this way because of his huge speed advantage over Holy'.
     
  11. chitownfightfan

    chitownfightfan Loyal Member Full Member

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    Is this a typo?:huh

    I mean, you have this completely reverse right?:think

    Sanders was indeed the hardest puncher Vitali fought, and Lennox was likely #2-4. But it was Sanders who HURT Vitali. I've watched the Lewis fight many times and can't remember a moment where Vitali looked as much as stunned.:think
     
  12. Vidic

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    Course Holyfield has a better chin
     
  13. Vidic

    Vidic Rest in Peace Manny Full Member

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    He was stunned a few times, most notably in the 5th and 6th, by uppercuts, right hands, and at one point I think a left hook.

    The uppercut hurt him, he also for one reason another was out on his feet, be it punches or gassing I'm not sure but his legs looked wobbly

    Sanders didn't hit harder than Lewis
     
  14. Azzer85

    Azzer85 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Ive noticed the one punch holyfield is open for is the uppercut, Both Tyson and
    Bowe rocked him with those and i think Lennox did too.

    Ive studied Holyfield carefully, he has a habit of raising his arms really high around his head when hes defending himself, he always leaves himself open down the middle for a uppercut.
     
  15. MMJoe

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    Isn't greatness winning and never having to prove your chin?