Honest scoring of Fury v Usyk after rewatch

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  1. MaccaveliMacc

    MaccaveliMacc Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Bottom line is even more tragic - Fury actually lost a fight to a MMA fighter who was a boxing novice on one of the judges scorecards. Embarrassed the sport of boxing. We don't need hypotheticals in this instance.
     
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  2. humbug

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    “If your using compubox as your argument then you're fighting a losing battle.”

    I’m using it partially as part of my argument, it certainly holds weight but it's not the be all and end all. For the first 6 – 7 rounds I thought Fury showed great ring generalship fighting on the back foot, making Usyk miss and landing in return.


    “Usyk out landed Fury in 8 out of the 12 rounds in power punches landed, and in overall punches landed Usyk landed at a 41 percent connect rate compared to 31 percent for Fury.”

    Yes that’s correct but this is when one can certainly question compubox stats, power punches landed…. how does a power punch get measured by compubox? The only round Fury was rocked was in round 9.


    “My issue with your original post is you suggested Fury could've won the first 7 rounds which is ridiculous. Even more ridiculous than your suggesting that Fury winning 3 or 4 rounds at max is ridiculous.”

    I said it could be argued that Fury won the first 7 rounds. If you like seeing boxers fighting on the back foot, showing great ring generalship, controlling the tempo, knowing where he is located in the ring and his proximity to the ropes at all times, slipping punches and landing in return, that’s what Fury was doing for the first 7 rounds. I gave Fury 6 out of the first 7 rounds.

    I just watched the fight for the third time, I’ve changed my stance from a Fury victory to a draw

    Round 1 – Fury 10 | Usyk 9
    Round 2 – Fury 9 | Usyk 10
    Round 3 – Fury 10 | Usyk 9
    Round 4 – Fury 10 | Usyk 9
    Round 5 – Fury 10 | Usyk 9
    Round 6 – Fury 10 | Usyk 9
    Round 7 – Fury 10 | Usyk 9
    Round 8 – Fury 9 | Usyk 10
    Round 9 – Fury 8 | Usyk 10
    Round 10 – Fury 9 | Usyk 10
    Round 11 – Fury 10 | Usyk 10
    Round 12 – Fury 9 | Usyk 10

    Draw

    Fury – 114 (7 rounds) | Usyk – 114 (6 rounds with a 10-8 round in round 9)


    “Overall i think Fury vs Usyk was a competitive fight but it was a competitive fight with a clear winner, i think realistically Fury won no more than 4 or 5 rounds with 6 being a stretch and 7 being not possible without extreme bias.”

    The official scorecards were:

    115-112 Usyk
    114-113 Fury
    114-113 Usyk

    Two judges gave Fury at least 6 rounds, one judge gave him 7 rounds, it was razor thin.
     
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  3. OldSchoolBoxing

    OldSchoolBoxing Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I'm sorry, but you're wrong. Fury won only 3, 4 5, 6.
     
  4. humbug

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    "Fury won only 3, 4 5, 6"

    I'm trying to think of the next number in the pattern.
     
  5. lbarrow

    lbarrow Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I scored it 116 - 112 usyk
    More solid, looked the better going forward and took the shots much better.
    Fury looked like he was going to win during rounds 4,5 and 6. But usyk got a second wind and took over.

    Scoring a fight for me is so different to just scrolling through compubox.

    Compubox will juat tell you how many punches were thrown, I score a fight on who's punches are having an effect, who is defensively better, accuracy and who is the aggressor. There are a million things to look at of why you'd score a round for someone not just because someone throws out a few one twos that miss the target. Also when you read stats in power punches that can only be opinionated cause who is telling someone else that a punch is a power shot that's much better than the others.
     
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  6. HEADBANGER

    HEADBANGER TEAM ELITE GENERAL Full Member

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    Not watched for a long time but I scored it to Usyk by a point.

    Fury was boxing to a landslide win but that Usyk left hook that ****ed Furys nose up in the 8th tipped the fight on it head, I think that Furys biggest enemy (complacency) had taken over at that point.

    Close fight but clear winner in Usyk.
     
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  7. Dynamicpuncher

    Dynamicpuncher Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I'm not debating with someone that believes the fight was a draw or a Fury win that's a "you" problem with your biased take I'm afraid that I simply can't be bothered to get into because the scoring speaks for itself.

    Round 7 was competitive but a clear round for Usyk you scored it for Fury. Round 11 was clearly Usyk’s round and you scored it even. And there's no way Usyk didn't win more than 1 round in the first half of the fight.

    Fury only clearly won rounds 4-6 and yet you somehow score 6 rounds for Fury and only 5 for Usyk which means any somewhat debatable round you gave to Fury hence what I said earlier biased take.
     
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  8. MaccaveliMacc

    MaccaveliMacc Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I scored it for Fury as well, I think it was a typical swing round.
     
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  9. MaccaveliMacc

    MaccaveliMacc Boxing Addict Full Member

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    But... how? This alone shows you can't score fights.
     
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  10. Mark Anthony

    Mark Anthony Internet virgin Full Member

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    Does that really matter now?
     
  11. Dynamicpuncher

    Dynamicpuncher Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I thought it was a good comeback round for Usyk after a bad spell for 3 rounds.

    Regardless not giving Usyk any of the these rounds 1, 7, 11, is just plain biased IMO.
     
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  12. Kiwi Casual

    Kiwi Casual Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Apparently it does to revisionists.
     
  13. Dynamicpuncher

    Dynamicpuncher Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Well duh no because there's nothing you can do about it now that's plainly obvious still doesn't change it was a legitimate knockdown missed by the referee which made a difference in scoring.
     
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  14. Dynamicpuncher

    Dynamicpuncher Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    More like Tyson Fury fan boys hiding their head in the sand because the truth hurts that a legitimate knockdown was missed and saved Fury from the most embarrassing loss in boxing history.
     
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  15. Viy

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    I scored it 116-111 for Usyk and I believe I was actually generous towards Fury because I ended up giving him a round I was uncertain about.

    I didn't see the fight as being particularly close. It was a clear and convincing victory for Usyk.
     
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