Honestly Debating Greatness vs. Pure Slander

Yes, that's right Hook!

 

Let it b nown , Tua wud hev KOd bows Harison end Marchegiano , treid wiz Tua end b gon .

In e caunter 2 thistle1's permanent staf , ppl shud b ewer det 1c 1 riserches inaf in2 de records of sam faiters , hi fainds dem ful of frauds , considering dowz faiters ez gr8 iz ignoring de trus , faiters laik Ali , Ray Leonard , RJJ , FMJ , wer not gr8 , merli haypjobs .


Der r mor laik dem bat mai point iz det ppl kip ignoring de trus despait it kips geting in2 deir feices .

Tru , ol of Ray Leonard's oponents wer dreind wen hi "bit" dem , bat hi iz gr8 b/c hi bit dem . Or iven wors :
du u hev e pruf det dei wer dreind ? rabish , it woz SRL's gr8ness det meid dem luk dreind , dei ol never re2rnd 2 det w8 dyu 2 e coincidenc

Or , yes , so Ali got gifts vs Doug Jones end Ken Norton (Chuvalo dei wil never admit bat it woz e gift) , tru det samsing stank in Kinshasa end vs Henry Cooper end olso vs Terrell end Liston*2 end den sam , bat hi hed so meni difenses end 3 taims de champion .

True det RJJ's fot ded / andersaizd / dreind / cans , bat hi lukt so gud egeinst dem det it meix him gr8

FMJ fot no1 det meterd so far , except from DLH end Hatton in e fait wen Cortez meid shur det Floyd wil hev it hiz wey ? dazent mater , FMJ iz gr8 bikoz hi difends himself so wel egeinst dem cans (wiv sin haw meny jabs hi 8 egeinst de shel of Miguel Cotto)

end on end on

 

I think I managed to decipher in there that Ali was a hype job?

 

Thanks Burt :good

 

yes u did . Ali iz n haypjob stil

 

Of course I am going to repeat show me on film when you have eight of his last nine fights on film and can only point to Willard who you fail to specify was 37 and highly inactive going into the fight .. so in essence that's all you have. AS far as Firpo and the "two of the fastest punches ever landed" I mean , come on .. like they said , "print the legend."

 

You are a master of excuses ... Burns built his career in the US where the fight business was, focusing his career out of the Pacific Northwest. He received a ton of criticism for fighting Johnson but unlike Dempsey Burns had true confidence in his own abilities and wanted the money and took the fight.

Sullivan was a very active champion, Jeffries fought all the top contenders of his day till the end of his career when he retired instead of fight Johnson and Burns was very active to respond to an earlier point ...

I'm always wary of any argument based not on reason of actions but inaction underpinned by great excuses ... I truly love the Dempsey legend as much as the next guy and respect the gentlemen he morphed into later in life but in reality there might not be any bigger myth in the fight game than Dempsey based on actual accomplishment. It's not to say he did not have the goods but to declare he did without question, to excuse him of his actions and knight him as the best or one of them is completely romanticizing a myth.

 

Bravo. Well-put and well-considered.

 

There are no great excuses. The culture of the times did not allow the fight to occur...all very well documented. With all this Dempsey still fought against the powers that be to make the fight happen....more so than any other hwt champion. Indeed it's not the champions job to make fights happen yet Dempsey did just that....unfortunately he failed. Dempsey should be praised for his efforts here not degraded as you and other do on here ever day.

 

To all the Dempsey "doubting Thomas's, in all sincerity, I believe in the great many
writers, boxers and trainers who saw the prime Dempsey and lauded him to the skies ,much more so than I believe you. To say that Dempsey at his peak who beat everyone he fought, from 1919-1923, wasn't a great fighter who flattened everyone he fought sans, the great defensive fighter tommy Gibbons, was overated, tells me that
they want to create THEIR own history...REWRITE boxing history if you must, but I want no part of this....
P.S. he, to not be impressed by the destructive one-two punch that flattened Luis Angel
Firpo in the second round TELLS me you are blind to the OBVIOUS...
P.P.S. - to ESB posters with an open mind, watch on youtube the second round of the Dempsey/ Firpo fight in which Dempsey flattened Firpo with those two last punches
thrown so devastingly fast and lethal...What say you ?

 

Dempsey should be praised for going against the intense cultural bias from that time to try to make this bout occur. It's not the champions job to make fights but Dempsey wanted this bout to happen and this is well documented.

Sullivan was not an active champion. If indeed he won the title by beating Mitchell in 1882 he gave exhibitions for 5 years not putting his title on the line. If you were to look at Dempseys exhibitions after he won the championship and include his actual title defenses they would dwarf that of Sullivan by a long shot. In fact Dempseys 7 title bouts were more than all the title bouts Sullivan had in his entire career.

 

Yes, it was a regular March on Washington...

Christ Almighty...

He played the duck and when he was called on it he and his puppeteers arranged a contract they knew never could be fulfilled.

 

Sometimes I'm rendered speechless on here.

 

when i write a post like that it means that A's ruthlessness is what i think will be the deciding factor in the bout, and writing anything more would dilute my point.

totally agree with everything else you said