Hopkins a legend? Kinda says alot about American boxing.

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  1. dwilson

    dwilson Guest

    Hopkins has created a myth about himself in boxing through being a great talker but only a decent fighter. His best wins come against blown up Welter weights or guys no body rates while the only times he has stepped up and faced a credible opponent he has lost.

    The best opponents he has faced have all beaten him quite easily. RJJ schooled him, Taylor one of the few real middle weights on his ledger beat him soundly and now an old past prime version of Calzaghe out hussled and out scored him him.

    Look at his best wins.

    Trinadad was from a lower weight class and so was De La Hoya. Johnson went on to lose 6 of his next 10 and Tarver is not very good full stop.

    Maybe if he had ventured out of his back yard and away from home judges earlier in his career he would have been exposed a long time ago. History will not be very good to Hopkins due to the facts on show.
     
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  2. waldoesj

    waldoesj Active Member Full Member

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    Hopkins is not a legend. He is just a lucky counter punching boxer.
     
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  3. fitzgeraldz

    fitzgeraldz And the new Full Member

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    What does that say about Calzaghe? ... with Hopkins being his biggest win :)

    The fight was very close between the two and it couldve went either way ... I don't think that Hopkins is overrated and his wins over Tito and DLH were legit, both guys won a MW championship and both beat quality guys.

    Johnson is a warrior and beat a legend in RJJ - knocked him out even.

    Tarver is going to be a future Hall of Famer being a 3-time LHW champion and maybe going for more if he manages to become undisputed champion again.

    Hopkins might be an ******* but there's no denying what he's done for the sport. He stopped many fighters from acheiving their dream of becoming world champion. Now that he's gone from MW the division is back in limbo ...
     
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  4. The Funny Man 7

    The Funny Man 7 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Except from the bit about Taylor, you're not too far away from something. I wouldn't complete dismiss his legend though: all of his mainstream wins are against suspect fighter (too small, not that good), but he does have good wins against quality middleweights, of the kind Monzon and Hagler beat, i.e. Eastman, Holmes, Joe Lipsy, Bo James, prime Robert Allen, Antwun Echols etc.
     
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  5. dwilson

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    Hopkins is Calzaghe's biggest named win but not his hardest opponent. Styles make fights and we had a close one the other night with the better man winning.
     
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  6. Arran

    Arran Boxing Junkie banned

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    I see Eubank, Reid and Kessler as bigger wins than Hopkins, he was just the big US name.
     
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  7. Sonny's jab

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    Look, for Hopkins to keep winning like that for all those years he must have been good. Even against whatever level of opposition you say he fought (and BTW, not many middleweights would have done that to Trinidad). Also, he gave a peak Roy Jones Jr. a better fight than many other big names did (eg. James Toney), so Hopkins must have been pretty good. He actually WAS the best fighter at 160 for years, that means he must have been good.

    It seems odd the doubt Hopkins but then try bigging up Calzaghe. The same type of criticisms apply to both.

    Legend ? Well, under modern standards I guess he counts as a legend.
    Personally I think most boxers of the last 15-20 years have been a bit **** compared to the real legends. Even super-talents like RJJ wasted a bit of time picking and choosing opponents and floating around weight divisions. Top fighters in the 50s and 60s, and other eras, fought each other 2 or 3 times and didn't wait until they were old and over-the-hill to risk it. They became legends because of that.
     
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  8. jaycuban

    jaycuban Cubans Do It Better ! Full Member

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    If Hopkins is not a legend... then I dont know who is
     
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  9. sk3000

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    Johnson would beat joe also the smw division will always be second tier guys who cant make mw or scared of lhw joe is not a factor in the lhw division . roy dominated all three hopkins defended his belt in a historical division. if tito can fight mw why is his victory against sweet p valued when he like floyd came from 130 and both walk around at 149
     
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  10. Cobbler

    Cobbler Shoemaker To The Stars Full Member

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  11. MetroMan

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    Hopkins a legend? Possibly but I think it's a bit early to say that. It's the hype game played in today's media.

    A fine boxer to be sure, patient, good counter puncher, physical and could be dirty, long time MW champ. He was 40 when he lost a close decision to Taylor. I think he would have beaten Calzaghe a few years back, to be honest, off the evidence of this weekend's fight.
     
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  12. Govanmauler

    Govanmauler Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Quality post.

    Only Hopkins and the Ring Magazine ever considered Hopkins a "Legend".

    Both men could have done more to fight " the best " during their careers but then i guess you dont get 20 defences each by fighting Godzilla every time out. These are two of the best of that weight range and of this era. I dont really know where they stack up in the all time list but to be honest both have way too many flaws to be all that high up.
     
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  13. Dude

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    B-hop shouldn't get discredited for his win over Tito, tito was the betting favourite and had beaten middleweights prior to his fight with B-hop.
     
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  14. BIG WORM

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    Hopkins is a bigger legend than calzaghe trust me.... all you little twatrs cant handle that hopkins took joe to scool. B-hop is the superior fighter in his day, if he was 35 vs joe you wouldnt be saying hes not a legend
     
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  15. dwilson

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    Still crying Bailey_tunes?


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