Hopkins also in a lose/lose situation?

Hop gets all the credit in the world, **** are you talking about? You discredits Hopkins?

 

No, Hopkins' willingness to take dangerous matchups, and perform well at this stage, all factors combined, is extremely underrated and taken for granted by the fans. Wrong.

 

Wrong? **** the fans.. you as a true boxing fan know what it is, **** you care about what some other dumbasses think? Hop is the man and im not even a fan of him. I respect him to the fullest for the fights he signs.

 

As boring as his fights may be, noone discredits Hopkins skill. The guy is a threat to anyone at 168-175 and fears no man.

Honestly both men are in a win-win. Hopkins wins because he's facing a beast of a fighter who could put a brutal damper on his legacy by knocking him out. Pavlik faces a rubix cube that only very few fighters can solve. He could easily get outclassed by Hopkins. If he wins, he'll come out looking awesome...especially if he KO's Hopkins.

 

That sounds good to me, I see it the same way, but what I'm referring to is a striking lack of regard. Not just a reasonable amount of disregard. Of course there's the message board nonsense, but I've been to quite a few fights between Las Vegas and California, and Hopkins is regularly booed by the crowd when he gets announced as a celebrity in attendance. He may be a heel to some, but the guy has earned his stripes. It's a joke and an insult to the foundation.

 

I think Hopkins is a very valid win for Pavlik. I think he won the Calzaghe fight. Hopkins is a very clever fighter and I think Pavlik's power might give way to Hopkin's experience. I favor Hopkins here by clinching and frustrating decision. Therefore if Pavlik can overcome this than its a good honest victory. Hopkins is on the downsilde but I think he deserved the Calzaghe fight.

 

oldman river losing does'nt hurt his career that much, if at all. he's playing the role of the elderly great going up against a young champion in his prime. winning would do wonders for his career, considering the above scenario. classic hollywood fairytale ending.

 

Do you know what win-win means?

 

I have to agree, no question.

 

If Hopkins doesn't totally embarass himself, it's a win for him. Even if he's competitive with Pavlik through much of the bout, it will be brought up as an example of his talent and rightly so. If he wins it would be one of his best 5 wins.

I hate Hopkins so much. Bad enough that he's a boring, cheating and ungentlemanly trashtalking *******, but he has to be insanely talented and skilled as well. What a wanker.

 

If in the context of this thread both fighters can be in a lose-lose, then **** both fighters can be in a win-win.

Noone's going to lose any sort of standing in this fight...Pavlik and Hopkins both will re-emerge relatively unscathed, basically.

 

No way. Hopkins can't lose here. If he oses it's o.k. because of how old he is. Ifhe wins, then he is still able to beat a top fighter at age 43.

 

Only asking because you then went on to state that a loss for Hopkins would put a 'brutal damper' his resume.

I disagree with you on that, but it seems you disagree with you on that as well, so ok.

 

It's a bad situation for Pavlik. I don't know why he took this fight. If he wins, he beat a 43 year old. If he loses, he lost to a 43 year old. People will never give him a lot of credit either way.

On the flip side, if Hopkins wins, he's the story of boxing once again. And we start to hear those 10 minute answers from Hopkins going in depth about his legacy and career.

 

Neither is in a lose-lose situation

If Pavlik beats Hopkins by T/KO, he will be the first man ever to knock Hopkins out, only a few months after Calzaghe, the recognized p4p #2 fighter in the world, won a SD over Hopkins and got knocked on his ass in the process. Sure, people will say Hopkins was shot, and rightly so. But people will also say "look at how Calzaghe, the p4p #2, struggled with a shot Hopkins"

If Hopkins beats Pavlik, its one of his best wins ever. A past prime legend coming back from a series of controversial losses to beat a prime undisputed middleweight champion of the world.

Anyways, Hopkins has more to gain than Pavlik, but IMO it'll be a harder mountain for him to climb. Pavlik is a heavy favorite, but he still stands to win some credibility with a convincing performance.