Trinidad Tarver Lipsey (thats as far as the actual performance he put on) Names of course are Trinidad,De La Hoya, Tarver, Wright, and he gave Jones his toughest fight in his first 50 fights or thereabout:good
Is it safe to guess Bernard is past his best? I ask this because you mention the Johnson fight which was 1997. Lipsey was also mentioned, and that was 1996.
No he didn't. He was pretty much dissinterested in the first half of that fight. Once he realized he was giving away too many rounds, he started warming Griffin up(unfortunately, he warmed him up too much). Jones was relatively tentative against pre legend Hopkins.
Hopkins biggest wins were not in his prime IMO, which to me was from 1994-95 to 1999-00. He then adjusted to an even more cerebral style when his body slowed down. I think people mistake the time frame when Hopkins finally started getting credit for being great, when he beat Trinidad, for his actual prime. You will get great debate on this though.
I only give credit to BHOP for beating fighters his own size which draws me to Joppy, Johnosn and Tarver for his best wins!
Yes he did, and it isn't really debatable. The scorecards agree with my assessment. Griffin had fought him to a standstill when Jones put him down and then got DQ'd. Jones was making his way back, but he wasn't winning. The Hopkins win was never in doubt and while it was a closer than usual fight for Jones, it was still won by 4 rounds. That isn't really close. That may have been pre legend Hopkins, but not too far before his prime. He became a legend after his prime had passed. That's boxing's fault, but Hopkins was a better fighter before he beat Trinidad. How do you figure Jones was disinterested in a guy who was unbeaten and just beaten Toney twice?
I agree with BigReg on this one. He may not have put the L on his record but Hopkins gave Jones his toughest fight until Tarver Asuming the fight is not DQ'd, and that Griffin does not get knocked out / down again in that round, Jones would've just had a 10-8 round, his second one. Jones was already ahead on 2 of the three scorecards and would've been ahead 4,3, and 1 point respectively at the end of the 9th with 3 more rounds to go.
And I disagree. Jones was never in any danger of losing to Hopkins that night. He was in danger of losing to Griffin until about the 7th round when he started to figure him out. He frustrated Jones far more than Hopkins did. Yes, but that was at the end of the fight. We cannot speculate what would have happened. We only have the actual fight to go by. How many points do you think Jones was up on Hopkins going into the 9th? Because Hopkins won a couple of those last rounds to close the gap to 4 points. Hopkins wasn't KD like Griffin, but Griffin won as many rounds in the first 9 rounds as Hopkins did in the whole fight. And he clearly frustrated Jones more than anyone else up to that point.
How do you figure that Jones was losing the first half of the fight in the first Griffin fight only to completely obliterate him in the rematch after Griffin talked **** after winning via DQ? How strange that after Roy had some motivation, the he completely dismantaled Griffin. Jones was a weird guy. He wasn't one of those guys that was completely focused everytime out.