Hopkins-Calzaghe scorecard with notes

rocky1 · Nov 2, 2010

Raskolnikov said: ↑

hey,

i'm new here. my cousin is also a member and he told me the issue that gets most people on this forum going is the hopkins-calzaghe fight. i scored it a bit wider than most i think, so a good way to introduce myself would be to post my card. i've included my notes so you guys can see my reasoning for the score.

enjoy reading and all comments welcome :thumbsup

1.....hopkins 10, calzaghe 8

H scores KD, and lands next best punch of round with another right hand similar to the KD punch not long after

2.....hopkins 10, calzaghe 9

could've been a 10-10, wouldn't argue with anyone who saw it that way, C forced action, H got off first a few times

3.....hopkins 10, calzaghe 9

competitive, but a hopkins round. H does cleaner work on inside, and lands couple of right hands

4.....hopkins 10, calzaghe 10

could be a hopkins round, but settled on a draw. H lands a good straight right, but not enough in this one to give it to either

5.....hopkins 10, calzaghe 10

very even round.

6.....hopkins 10, calzaghe 9

first good punch landed by calzaghe comes in round 6! A good left hand at 2.12. But H comes back with a good right to the body then lovely right hand off the ropes. H lands better punches, smothers C's attacks, C misses with a few flurries of punches

7.....hopkins 10, calzaghe 9

H lands good left at 1.26. C comes forward a lot, his jab is not effective, punches don't land. H staggers C with hard punch after C's flurry misses at end of round

8.....hopkins 9, calzaghe 10

C lands nice left on 1.19. H fires back with straight right. Another H straight right at 2.13. close round but C edges it as his jab is better this round

9.....hopkins 9, calzaghe 10

C good short left at 0.40, H comes back with right hand. same as last round, could be a 10-10 but C just does a bit more here

10....hopkins 10, calzaghe 9

a clear H round. H nice straight right at 1.00, again at 1.24. despite C's aggression and output it is H that lands all the best shots

11....hopkins 9, calzaghe 10

C gets more punches in, although neither man lands many cleanly

12....hopkins 10, calzaghe 10

even. both flurry, no advantage gained

total..........hopkins 117, calzaghe 113

:good
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you gave hopkins round 7 when calzaghe landed exactly twice as many punches 24 for calzaghe only 12 for hopkins, and round 3 you gave hopkins when he only landed 10 punches and calzaghe landed 23 :think whats the deal with that

Kid Presentable · Nov 2, 2010

im a massive hopkins fan and hate calzaghe but had to give it to calzaghe. slaps are more effective than nothing. same they didnt fight 5 years previous would have been welsh murder

mike464 · Nov 2, 2010

I had it a bit closer than that but no doubt Hopkins won.

Marnoff · Nov 2, 2010

I had Hopkins winning it in a close fight.

bailey · Nov 3, 2010

bailey said: ↑

A new Troll to ESB, who has now shown himself to be a poor one with that ridiculous scorecard.
Now a more realistic scorecard

1. Hopkins 10-8
2. Hopkins 10-9
3. Calzaghe 10-9
4. Calzaghe 10-9
5. Calzaghe 10-9 Hopkins tried to land a cheap shot after the bell :-(
6. Calzaghe 10-9
7. Even 10-10 Calzaghe wins most of the round, with the odd Hopkins pot shot. Most are fooled at the end with a Hopkins headbutt and punch at same time, but replays show the typical head use.
8. Calzaghe 10-9
9. Calzaghe 10-9
10. Hopkins 10-9
11. Calzaghe 10-9
12. Calzaghe 10-9

117-112 for Calzaghe (a clear win)

Hopkins had his best chance against Calzaghe, making him fight at a weight he hadnt fought before, in America with 3 American judges and Cortez as ref and he still didnt win.
Most people accept that Calzaghe won round 11, yet the judge who scored for Hopkins gave that round to Hopkins :huh. Thats the only reason it was even a SD, something Hopkins fans cling to, but fail to notice how wide the other judges scored for Calzaghe.
Just a point in Taylors 2 wins over Hopkins his overall points on the official scorecards total were 6 points higher than Hopkins overall scores between the 2 fights, yet Calzaghes 1 fight with Hopkins, had Joe 7 points higher than Hopkins overall. Complete dominance.
Im surprised anyone can believe in Hopkins winning this fight. When Hopkins is holding throughout, faking injurys and trying to get time out. Do you think if Hopkins thought he was ahead he would have tried to get Calzaghe points deducted?
People have to move on and except Calzaghe beat Hopkins and live with it
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:deal Even Hopkins nuthuggers give Calzaghe round 11. 117-112 Calzaghe

Raskolnikov · Nov 3, 2010

rocky1 said: ↑

you gave hopkins round 7 when calzaghe landed exactly twice as many punches 24 for calzaghe only 12 for hopkins, and round 3 you gave hopkins when he only landed 10 punches and calzaghe landed 23 :think whats the deal with that
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The deal with that is that (a) Compubox is not scientific fact, and that (b) the number of punches is not always the most important factor.

Taking point (a) - there are many times when Compubox gives skewed results. I don't know if you know how it works (I doubt it from your post), but it's basically two guys at ringside clicking PlayStation control pads whenever they think a punch is landed. It's far from infallible, very far indeed. In that round 7 I think Calzaghe misses with the vast majority of his punches, but at ringside those two suits may have thought that the slap-slurries were making glancing contact.

Taking point (b) - if fighter A lands 20 skimming, clipping, glancing blows while throwing innocuous slapping pitty-pat flurries, and fighter B lands 10 clean, hard punches, who wins the round? (round 7 is a good example of this, it's a clear Hopkins round if you know how to score boxing)

You sound like all that matters to you is Compubox. I think you should watch amateur boxing and leave the pro stuff to people who understand it :good

bailey · Nov 3, 2010

bailey said: ↑

A new Troll to ESB, who has now shown himself to be a poor one with that ridiculous scorecard.
Now a more realistic scorecard

1. Hopkins 10-8
2. Hopkins 10-9
3. Calzaghe 10-9
4. Calzaghe 10-9
5. Calzaghe 10-9 Hopkins tried to land a cheap shot after the bell :-(
6. Calzaghe 10-9
7. Even 10-10 Calzaghe wins most of the round, with the odd Hopkins pot shot. Most are fooled at the end with a Hopkins headbutt and punch at same time, but replays show the typical head use.
8. Calzaghe 10-9
9. Calzaghe 10-9
10. Hopkins 10-9
11. Calzaghe 10-9
12. Calzaghe 10-9

117-112 for Calzaghe (a clear win)

Hopkins had his best chance against Calzaghe, making him fight at a weight he hadnt fought before, in America with 3 American judges and Cortez as ref and he still didnt win.
Most people accept that Calzaghe won round 11, yet the judge who scored for Hopkins gave that round to Hopkins :huh. Thats the only reason it was even a SD, something Hopkins fans cling to, but fail to notice how wide the other judges scored for Calzaghe.
Just a point in Taylors 2 wins over Hopkins his overall points on the official scorecards total were 6 points higher than Hopkins overall scores between the 2 fights, yet Calzaghes 1 fight with Hopkins, had Joe 7 points higher than Hopkins overall. Complete dominance.
Im surprised anyone can believe in Hopkins winning this fight. When Hopkins is holding throughout, faking injurys and trying to get time out. Do you think if Hopkins thought he was ahead he would have tried to get Calzaghe points deducted?
People have to move on and except Calzaghe beat Hopkins and live with it
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Read above. Hopkins fans want so desperately to rewrite history, but have to except the fact that HOPKINS LOST. Deal with it. You didnt make as big a deal when it was J Taylor, and Calzaghe beat Hopkins far more conviningly, having Hopkins holding on and trying to get timeout

Raskolnikov · Nov 3, 2010

bailey said: ↑

Read above. Hopkins fans want so desperately to rewrite history, but have to except the fact that HOPKINS LOST. Deal with it. You didnt make as big a deal when it was J Taylor, and Calzaghe beat Hopkins far more conviningly, having Hopkins holding on and trying to get timeout
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How many times is this troll going to quote his own post??!

bailey · Nov 3, 2010

Calzaghe landed some pity patter shots but he also LANDED MORE SOLID PUNCHES ON HOPKINS overall, outlanding Hopkins and dictating the fight. If Joe was only landing soft shots, then why wouldnt Hopkins come forward like he did against Pavlik? Because Joe was outlanding him and clearly beating him

whoupicking? · Nov 3, 2010

Raskolnikov said: ↑

hey,

i'm new here. my cousin is also a member and he told me the issue that gets most people on this forum going is the hopkins-calzaghe fight. i scored it a bit wider than most i think, so a good way to introduce myself would be to post my card. i've included my notes so you guys can see my reasoning for the score.

enjoy reading and all comments welcome :thumbsup

1.....hopkins 10, calzaghe 8

H scores KD, and lands next best punch of round with another right hand similar to the KD punch not long after

2.....hopkins 10, calzaghe 9

could've been a 10-10, wouldn't argue with anyone who saw it that way, C forced action, H got off first a few times

3.....hopkins 10, calzaghe 9

competitive, but a hopkins round. H does cleaner work on inside, and lands couple of right hands

4.....hopkins 10, calzaghe 10

could be a hopkins round, but settled on a draw. H lands a good straight right, but not enough in this one to give it to either

5.....hopkins 10, calzaghe 10

very even round.

6.....hopkins 10, calzaghe 9

first good punch landed by calzaghe comes in round 6! A good left hand at 2.12. But H comes back with a good right to the body then lovely right hand off the ropes. H lands better punches, smothers C's attacks, C misses with a few flurries of punches

7.....hopkins 10, calzaghe 9

H lands good left at 1.26. C comes forward a lot, his jab is not effective, punches don't land. H staggers C with hard punch after C's flurry misses at end of round

8.....hopkins 9, calzaghe 10

C lands nice left on 1.19. H fires back with straight right. Another H straight right at 2.13. close round but C edges it as his jab is better this round

9.....hopkins 9, calzaghe 10

C good short left at 0.40, H comes back with right hand. same as last round, could be a 10-10 but C just does a bit more here

10....hopkins 10, calzaghe 9

a clear H round. H nice straight right at 1.00, again at 1.24. despite C's aggression and output it is H that lands all the best shots

11....hopkins 9, calzaghe 10

C gets more punches in, although neither man lands many cleanly

12....hopkins 10, calzaghe 10

even. both flurry, no advantage gained

total..........hopkins 117, calzaghe 113

:good
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:rofl:rofl

Please tell me this a joke?

bailey · Nov 3, 2010

Raskolnikov said: ↑

How many times is this troll going to quote his own post??!
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I think a troll would be the one who scores 117-113 for Hopkins atsch. Now thats a delusional troll.
You have to live with it and except Calzaghe won.

bailey · Nov 3, 2010

Raskolnikov said: ↑

How many times is this troll going to quote his own post??!
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Here. I'll post it again for you :smoke

bailey said: ↑

A new Troll to ESB, who has now shown himself to be a poor one with that ridiculous scorecard.
Now a more realistic scorecard

1. Hopkins 10-8
2. Hopkins 10-9
3. Calzaghe 10-9
4. Calzaghe 10-9
5. Calzaghe 10-9 Hopkins tried to land a cheap shot after the bell :-(
6. Calzaghe 10-9
7. Even 10-10 Calzaghe wins most of the round, with the odd Hopkins pot shot. Most are fooled at the end with a Hopkins headbutt and punch at same time, but replays show the typical head use.
8. Calzaghe 10-9
9. Calzaghe 10-9
10. Hopkins 10-9
11. Calzaghe 10-9
12. Calzaghe 10-9

117-112 for Calzaghe (a clear win)

Hopkins had his best chance against Calzaghe, making him fight at a weight he hadnt fought before, in America with 3 American judges and Cortez as ref and he still didnt win.
Most people accept that Calzaghe won round 11, yet the judge who scored for Hopkins gave that round to Hopkins :huh. Thats the only reason it was even a SD, something Hopkins fans cling to, but fail to notice how wide the other judges scored for Calzaghe.
Just a point in Taylors 2 wins over Hopkins his overall points on the official scorecards total were 6 points higher than Hopkins overall scores between the 2 fights, yet Calzaghes 1 fight with Hopkins, had Joe 7 points higher than Hopkins overall. Complete dominance.
Im surprised anyone can believe in Hopkins winning this fight. When Hopkins is holding throughout, faking injurys and trying to get time out. Do you think if Hopkins thought he was ahead he would have tried to get Calzaghe points deducted?
People have to move on and except Calzaghe beat Hopkins and live with it
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:smoke 117-112 Calzaghe

whoupicking? · Nov 3, 2010

tito44 said: ↑

There is always some thread on this, some Americans can just not accept Hopkins lost, and lost clearly. He won 3 rounds.
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The hate for calzaghe is unbelievable on this forum. I hate the guy style to and wanted hopkins to whoop his ass. But no way did hopkins win that fight. What makes it even more humiliating is the fact he said he would never lose to a whiteboy then performed the way he did, faking injuries.

Funny how compubox don't mean anything when it comes to calzaghe v hopkins but it means everything when it comes to castillo v mayweather 1. This **** is ridiculous.

Raskolnikov · Nov 3, 2010

Some of the people on this thread have sorely exposed themselves as people who judge fights purely by Compubox statistics. Compubox statistics are useful, but they are obviously not the be all and end all of scoring boxing. Too many people on this thread should go back to the amateurs, this **** is embarrassing.

Raskolnikov · Nov 3, 2010

bailey said: ↑

Here. I'll post it again for you :smoke

:smoke 117-112 Calzaghe
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Cool :good

Raskolnikov said: ↑

1.....hopkins 10, calzaghe 8

H scores KD, and lands next best punch of round with another right hand similar to the KD punch not long after

2.....hopkins 10, calzaghe 9

could've been a 10-10, wouldn't argue with anyone who saw it that way, C forced action, H got off first a few times

3.....hopkins 10, calzaghe 9

competitive, but a hopkins round. H does cleaner work on inside, and lands couple of right hands

4.....hopkins 10, calzaghe 10

could be a hopkins round, but settled on a draw. H lands a good straight right, but not enough in this one to give it to either

5.....hopkins 10, calzaghe 10

very even round.

6.....hopkins 10, calzaghe 9

first good punch landed by calzaghe comes in round 6! A good left hand at 2.12. But H comes back with a good right to the body then lovely right hand off the ropes. H lands better punches, smothers C's attacks, C misses with a few flurries of punches

7.....hopkins 10, calzaghe 9

H lands good left at 1.26. C comes forward a lot, his jab is not effective, punches don't land. H staggers C with hard punch after C's flurry misses at end of round

8.....hopkins 9, calzaghe 10

C lands nice left on 1.19. H fires back with straight right. Another H straight right at 2.13. close round but C edges it as his jab is better this round

9.....hopkins 9, calzaghe 10

C good short left at 0.40, H comes back with right hand. same as last round, could be a 10-10 but C just does a bit more here

10....hopkins 10, calzaghe 9

a clear H round. H nice straight right at 1.00, again at 1.24. despite C's aggression and output it is H that lands all the best shots

11....hopkins 9, calzaghe 10

C gets more punches in, although neither man lands many cleanly

12....hopkins 10, calzaghe 10

even. both flurry, no advantage gained

total..........hopkins 117, calzaghe 113

:good
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