Hopkins/Calzaghe Video Footage

Thanks man.

that last sentence i have written down one of the best quotes i have ever heard

 

Sonny Liston and his entourage confrontoned Cassius Clay in some cason before they fought, and Liston picked up Clay by the collar and slapped him about a little bit. By all accounts Cassius Clay **** his pants, and Liston thought he had out-psyched the young fighter. Clay's performance at the weigh in confirmed to him that Cassius was out of his mind with fear.

They were probably right.

What difference did it make in the fight? Absolutely **** all. All the weigh-in bull**** is just pageantry that they dish out to the media before a fight. In Heavyweight fights they dont even need to weigh in, but they do it anyway so the journo's can comment on a particular fighters physique, or so they can say "there's real bad blood between these two". Look at the Hatton - Mayweather fight, Hatton totally stole Mayweather's thunder and was the fan-favourite. He took over the MGM Grand for the night. Did it matter? Not one bit. The mind-games very rarely come into it.

Hopkins is a master of this art and knows what he is saying will whip up controversy, but its effect on the outcome of the fight is minimal. Hopkins is too old for Calzaghe, the constant pace will tire him out and he'll make mistakes. Against other old guys, like Winky Wright and Antonio Tarver, he's been able to get away with his style and age, but Calzaghe is all wrong for him. Infact, I'd have retired after the Tarver fight if I were him.

 

A comment to your last paragraph. I have learned from experience that......No you cant see from that footage who has confidence. Not real confidence. You cant tell much from that footage.
You can see who is used to talk ****. Who is comfortable with being in a situation where you verbally attack your opponent. Who is comfortable with being a jerk.
I have seen a lot of people being comfortable with that. And this does not equal confidence.

And that there are people like yourself that really really interpret this as confidende makes me sad.

 

To your last paragraph. There are racist people in all countries.
And in all communities. That is a fact and that does not mean that you can say anything about any individual in that community. Of course not.

A community in which there are many people that are racist is black america. And this racism really bothers me. Not because this racism is any worse than racism found in other communities.

WHY DOES IT BOTHER ME THEN ? Because for the most part when people in this community are being racist IT IS SIMPLY NOT RECOGNIZED AS RACIST.
There are many that say that BLACKS PER DEFINITION CANT BE RACIST PER DEFINITION. Why ? What is the reason for this utterly stupid assersion ? Why because basically blacks historically where and now still are (some claim)to some extent second level citizens. Therefore they cant be racist. So if you are poor, underprivliged and a victim of racism, you yourself cant be racist. This is Black panther logic.

This is just stupid. I could, if I had more time, give a detailed explanation for why it is the case that this is stupid. But I wont. I will just say that if the concept of racism is to be meaningfull you cant say that blacks per definition cant be racist.

But a lot of people buy this. And this is why when the Richards guy from seinfeld is being racist everybody explodes and demands public apologies.
But when Hopkins and Tyson (at the Lewis fight) are being racist, people just laugh. Most at least. Not all. I dont. Not because I am offended. But because it is wrong.

Hopkins and Tyson what role models

 

You see this is exactly what i am talking about above. I wrote my above post before I read what I am now answering to.

You are implying in your question that Hopkins has to have control ( in other words : be in a powerful position in society) in order to be a racist

But he doesnt need that in order to be a racist.

WHY IS HE A RACIST? Because colour matters to him. Race matters to him. What race his opponent has matters to him. Apparently.
Hopkins will not loose to a person of X colour. Hopkins will feel particularly bad about loosing to a person of X colour.

If Calzaghe was not X colour Hopkins would feel different about loosing to him.

Calzaghes race is what determine how Hopkins feel about Calzaghe. It is not what Calzaghe has done, it is not what Calzaghe is like as an individual that determines how Hopkins feel. It is his race that is of importancen to Hopkins, when Hopkins evaluate Calzaghe.

Contrast that with my evaluation of Hopkins : I am judging Hopkins on the basis of him as an individual. How he behaves and what choices he makes. I am not looking at Hopkins and say "arh he is black so I dont want him to win" In this case I am saying "he is an idiot so I hope he looses". lol

Oh and by the way. If Hopkins had been white and said " I refuse to loose to a black person", you can bet your life savings that I would have rooted for his opponent to win.

That you can even ask what is racist about hopkins remarks is amazing.

And I predict that that the forum moderators will soon close down this thread because i have a feeling that this discussion will soon maybe become to politically incorrect

 

Blacks (and other 'unempowered' minorities) can, IMO be racist. From the strict definition of the word, that much is evident.

I don't buy the horse**** that you have to have 'power' over someone to be racist towards them. (The same argument is often used about the word 'sexist', indicating that women can't be sexist, allegedly , by definition.)

Those who believe this about racism and sexism should coin a new word with their own, narrower definition attached.

All that said, I don't believe Bernard was being racist (other than in the strictest technical sense that he drew a distinction between races)
when he made his remarks to Joe. I can understand how some would be offended, but if you follow the trash-talking associated with the sport and how it relates to hyping a potential fight, I didn't think Bernard was being offensive.

I wasn't offended. I don't believe Joe was offended.

And still, if they meet, Bernard's black ass will be grass, and white-boy Joe will be a lawn-mower !

 

Joe wasn't offended, as far as I know. In read an article somewhere he said he enjoyed it because it was funny and he got under Bernard's skin. When Joe said "You're not a legend" you could see the anger in Bernard's eyes, and that was the first psychological war. Joe won it because he kept his cool.

As a white dude myself I wasn't offended, I just found it unnecessary.

 

Bull****...he is being called a racist and being called racist names...I think it works both ways...White or Black, wrong is wrong.

 

Jeez... where do you guys get these avatar girls from with elephantiasis of the posterior?

 

Would Calazaghe have been racist if he'd said he'd never lose to a black person? All this 'power' BS is beside the point, a racist statement is a racist statement. As a white person I was n't offended by what Hopkins said, I was just annoyed that Calzaghe would have been ripped a new arse for saying the same thing about black people while no one bats an eyelid when Hopkins says it.

 

You mean people are labelling Hopkins "That White-Boy Guy"?

 

Don't mind clowns like this..before the fight many prejudiced folks here believed PBF was such a tyrant that the majority of black people were against himatsch...yeah, I was in tears when he defeated the one dimensional wrestler Hatton..tears of JOY:happy

 

what's a pinko?

 

:good...and I might add, there was far more diversity in team around Floyd (i.e The Professor, that PR chick, the hoes for the Xmas charity thing) than at Team Hatton where the team...well, it just looked white (even HBO had to freeze frame any moment they could when black folks were around Team Hatton!)

 

This that some kind of juxtapositional truth your having us believe?:think