Hopkins-dawson

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Here's rd 2 with 'highlights' from round 1. Can the idiots who think Dawson was beating Hopkins up in the first two rounds forcing him to quit like to point out where and when this was please. Pat Russell is another referee like Cortez who seems to want the limelight. ****, even before the fight he showed his agenda, he didn't like bhop team and went in the dressing room with an attitude.

 

Yep, I agree with you entirely.

 

It's pretty obvious what happened. BHop got thrown, and he saw that as a chance to unsettle Dawson and win favours from the ref and judges - perhaps a point to be taken from Dawson.

Anyone with a modicum of boxing knowledge would at least have considered that possibility. The ref should have boxing knowledge. A decent referee would have treated it in the same way as a low blow is treated - after all it was an intentional foul, play acting or no play acting - and given BHop a decent amount of time to recover, before asking him if he felt he could continue, and telling him that if he doesn't recover soon, the fight will be over.

If the ref thought that BHop was acting then he could have suggested that BHop not mess around any more, and tell him that if he can't continue, it will be a TKO and not a NC.

Frankly it doesn't matter what the rule book says to do in that situation (if anything specific). This is boxing, stuff happens. Any decent ref would attempt to allow the fight to continue, rather than robbing fans (and the fighters) of a boxing contest they payed to see. Another terrible day for boxing, I'm sad to say.

 

He shoved him off, it wasn't anything like wrestling body slams etc...

Things like that often happen in boxing, 99.99999% times they go uncommented on though because the other guy doesn't go down like that acting like his arms just fallen off.

If we had a Dq/NC for every time a boxer performs a misdemeanor like that, no boxing match would ever be concluded and Hopkins certainly wouldn't have a single win to his name.

 

The major issue was how Hopkins got injured. If he's just fallen over, fine - but Dawson threw him down.

 

I think you could well be right.

Had Bernard known it was going to be awarded a TKO, I'm not too sure he'd have stayed down.

Having said that, Bernard strangely didn't seem to be protesting too much, it was Dawson that was far more upset.

 

The stuff going on in the Cleverly fight was far, far worse than anything Dawson did, yet they just got on with it. I doubt too many on here would have been too pleased with the fight being called off due to foul play.

 

Come on, it was hardly like this was it:

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The ref should have given him time either way. That's the main problem - the fact that they were so quick to wave it off.

It was a foul, but given Hopkins's record it might have been wise for the ref to suggest that Hopkins not try anything on, before allowing the fight to continue.

It was a foul, but if any kind of minor foul is sufficient grounds for a DQ, supposing the other fighter decides to play act, then fights would descend into farce. The referee has to exercise his discretion in judging whether a foul is serious.

Imo, Nard was just trying it on. As a fan of his, I'm extremely disappointed for both fighters, because I don't believe that he'd ever duck out of a fight on purpose.

 

What's that got to do with it?

See, I can spot a fanboy a mile off when they try to use extremes to prove a really weak point. And you are showing all the signs.

Did Dawson foul Hopkins? Yes - he lifted him and tossed him to the floor. The extremity of the action doesn't matter a ****ing jot. If you shoot someone in the foot or the face, you still shot them.

He got scanned and there was an injury. Hardly trying it on, was it?

 

I'm taking that with a large pinch of salt. I'm sure "a doctor" diagnosed "an injury" but I don't really believe that Hopkins was actually injured.

The culprit is the ref. I usually stick up for officials (especially in football) because they have a tough job. But that was appalling refereeing. I don't blame BHop really, although I'm disappointed; he isn't a quitter. He's just a rule-bending fighter who didn't expect the referee to be that dense.

 

If Chad is so 'Bad', why did he say he didn't need to rematch him.

Rematch him, beat him convincingly, and show the world you deserve to be champ. The Pascal rematch can wait.

 

By all accounts the referee didn't give him the chance. He just ended the fight.

 

Come on, Hopkins has a history with this kind of thing. He didn't even land on his shoulder, he landed on his foot then fell fairly softly onto his backside.

Seriously, as stated, no one knows for sure, but any fair and rational person would put a question mark over what happened there last night.

Also, you can't turn a fight into a NC every time a fighter breaks a rule in a small way, no fight would ever finish.