Hopkins: GGG Should Fight Winner of Kovalev-Ward

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  1. punisher

    punisher Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    He wants the man to prove himself, just like every other fight fan. Everyone wants Canelo to move up and fight him to give the man some instant credibility. Canelo could keep fighting the best JMWs and keep building his legacy that way. He does not need GGG. GGG needs him or another big fight to shed the "can man" (not in the way AB means it either) reputation. It was OK for Brook to move up and get his eye socket busted. Brook was a "warrior" for that. But, GGG who walks around above 170ish (and looked huge in there with Brook btw) is "too small" to move up even 1 division. FOH.

    That's why other fighters like Hopkins are starting to calling his a$$ out, to live up to the hype his camp keeps putting out. Hell, he supposedly whipped Kovalev's a$$ in sparring anyway. And he is beating up HW's, will fight anyone from 154-168, etc. Right? Time to show and prove, instead of bullying smaller fighters.
     
  2. drenlou

    drenlou VIP Member

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    Why you complaining?
     
  3. Holy Grail

    Holy Grail Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Hopkins is a Golden Boy puppet and will do anything to please his boss and protect their only real cash cow, Canelo, they have right now

    I don't even bother listening to these biased talks
     
  4. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    Once again, you have missed the point I was making.

    I also want him to move up and challenge himself. But again, I'm sick of Bernard talking hypocritical nonsense. Just recap his career. His comments are a joke.

    Who's said GG is too small to move up to SMW? I haven't, and I'm certain he'll eventually move up. But not at the minute, because he's on the verge of accomplishing his career goals at MW. Kell deserves huge credit, but his circumstances are very different.

    How many smaller fighters has he bullied? The fight against Kell was poor, but Kell was his 3rd choice of opponent. He doesn't go around bullying smaller fighters. Eubank is huge at the weight and very strong. And that's the fight he initially signed for. His other targets are Billy Joe, Canelo and Jacobs. All potentially great fights. He shouldn't be criticised for not moving up at this stage.
     
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  5. scarecrow

    scarecrow Boxing Addict Full Member

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    The current MW divison is fairly deep, but not top heavy in a p4p sense. Golovkin is the only elite fighter in the MW divison.

    There are some solid fighters that are in the divison. Like Canelo, Lemiuex, Murray, Jacobs, Lee, etc. Those are all decent scalps for Golovkin. And what happens is Golovkin either destroys them or they duck him.

    Golovkin is a truly elite fighter. Its not his fault that he's the only great fighter in his divison. Hell there aren't any great 168 pounders right now. You have to go up to 175 pounds to find some other elite fighters.
     
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  6. scarecrow

    scarecrow Boxing Addict Full Member

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    The same people who are criticizing Golovkin for fighting Brook are the same ones whining and moaning about Golovkin not fighting the bigger Andre Ward. Hypocritical I'd you ask me.

    I recognize that Brook was undersized. But like you do said it was plan C or D. Golovkin did what he should have done and that's destroy a smaller man. Not much to really say about that.
     
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  7. Uppercut_Artist

    Uppercut_Artist Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    LOL, you can't compare Hopkins to Golovkin any more than you compare Donald Trump to a real financial genius like Reggie Lewis.

    Hopkins had no HBO or K2 Promotions to cuddle and protect him.
    Hopkins couldn't be matched soft because the networks (and many promoters) were Anti-Hopkins, which is why Hopkins entered so many of his MW fights as UNDERDOG.
    When has Golovkin ever been an underdog in a fight?

    In summary; Hopkins is an ATG, while Golovkin is really a nobody. All we can do with Golovkin is to hope that maybe one day, he will actually face a live opponent. At 35, the odds decrease each day.
     
  8. Rico Spadafora

    Rico Spadafora Master of Chins Full Member

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    Nothing you posted explains why Hopkins stayed at 160 for 15 years. He also during that time fought some atrocious title defenses and optional defenses. He was also boiling down to 160 and could have easily moved up well before he did. Hopkins being an underdog or not doesn't have a thing to do with him staying at 160 for 15 ****ing years.
     
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  9. scarecrow

    scarecrow Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Hopkins was the underdog in some fights because nobody thought was any good. Really. The man got schooled the by the 1 live dog he fought his whole career and the man did it with 1 working hand. And then when he fought the second truly live dog he got shutout 12-0.
     
  10. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    Yeah, you're talking about a guy who refused a CW with Roy in 2002, AFTER he'd become the undisputed MW champ. Yet here he is telling a guy who's smaller than himself that he should be targeting the winner of Andre-Kovalev?

    It's a joke.
     
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  11. scarecrow

    scarecrow Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Hopkins didn't fight Toney, Benn, Nunn, McLellan. He fought Roy Jones an A level fighter.

    After that he was like **** that. And stuck to fighting Welterweights and domestic C level guys.
     
  12. kriszhao

    kriszhao Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Yep.
     
  13. scarecrow

    scarecrow Boxing Addict Full Member

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    There has got to be some personal issues here with Hopkins. Because Golovkin is closing in on Hopkins 160 pound title defense record. Which really is Hopkins claim to fame.

    And really the number of title defenses isn't all its cracked up to be. The quality of the defenses is much more important than the quantity.

    Once Golovkin takes away Hopkins record what will Hopkins legacy have left?
     
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  14. Uppercut_Artist

    Uppercut_Artist Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Hopkins fought for his first title with Roy Jones who was fighting his first title fight.
    RJJ was the MEDIA darling and expected to win. He did and obtained his 1st title.
    BHOP fought an ATG, Roy Jones, and lost.

    There is absolutely NO SHAME in that!

    What RJJ calibre opponent has Golovkin faced, Stevens, Geale, Brook?

    If Golovkin hgad the opportunity to fight a prime RJJ, he'd duck, just like he ducked an old ATG, Bernard Hopkins.
     
  15. scarecrow

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    There is no shame in losing to Roy Jones. The problem is that Hopkins avoided challenges before and after that during his MW run.

    He lost badly to Roy Jones and then was like **** that. He had Toney, Benn, Nunn and McClellan in his divison. Yet somehow he managed to miss all of them.

    Golovkin would love to have those guys to fight.