Hopkins greater than Jones if he beats Kovalev

Can you elaborate?

 

I respect your opinion.

But what if someone told you in the early 90's, that Roy would beat his competition without barely losing a round, and he'd beat a top 5 HW with ease, then drop over 20 pounds to regain the LHW belts at almost 35? Apart from the Griffin DQ, he was undefeated in 50 fights, campaigning in his 5th weight class.

They're both special fighters.

But look at their overall accomplishments, and compare their best wins, taking into consideration all circumstances, and looking at the manner of their victories etc.

 

I tend to rank prime 2 prime though? Surely that's whats important.

20 years from now we won't remember old shot Jones getting blown out of there by Lebedev, we'll remember the explosive athletic beast from 10 years earlier.

 

But Dawson beat Hopkins twice as easy, at the closest, than Calzaghe did. And Calzaghe ducked and refused to ever face Dawson, instead jumping on the 40+ yr old circuit.

Therefore, Dawson > Calzaghe????!?!?!?!

 

I never said they weren't valid.

Go and read my criteria, and tell me if you agree or disagree with it?

Longevity should be a huge factor when ranking a guy.

But again, it has to go hand in hand with skills, opposition, the timing of the fights, the manner of victories, the circumstances, dominance, achievements, and losses etc.


Roy won titles at four weights.

He toyed with very good-great opposition.

He barely lost a round in his prime.

He spectacularly knocked out good fighters.

He was the best fighter in the world for ten years.

He started out at MW and JMW, and won a version of the HW title with ease.

He unified LHW, and recaptured the titles after he came back from HW, losing muscle in the process.

He beat Hopkins with a fractured hand, and Hopkins remained undefeated for a further 12 years.


Hopkins only evened the score, when Roy was done.

Go and read what Hopkins said after Roy had lost to Joe Calzaghe.

He said he didn't want the fight, because Roy looked old, he was no longer Superman, and it wouldn't be a fair fight.

Then two years later, he wanted the rematch, even telling the media that Roy had been unfairly treated in Australia.

Do you think it's a coincidence that Hopkins didn't go to LHW until 2006?


Roy beat him when it mattered, he was more dominant, he's had more overall better wins, and he's achieved more.

Winning titles from MW to HW, then reclaiming the LHW titles, eclipses anything that Hopkins has done.

 

I respect your opinion also.

It really is incredible what he's doing at nearly 50.

But can it surpass nearly every other factor that favours Roy?

I don't believe so.

 

Better oposition Give me. Hopkins best win that's not a guy fighting out of,his Natural,weight class ? Oh wait I know that all time great Jean Pascal

GTFO

Hopkins outpaced Jones before they met:huh

..Why is it that Hopkins never made the jump to light heay weight before when he started at that division ? Why did he wait for Jones to get KO ed multiple times before accepting a rematch ?

Hopkins avenged his loss

 

True, and it needs taking into consideration.

But you can't undo what's already been done.

Leonard suffered bad defeats to Norris and Camacho, and would no doubt have suffered more embarrassing defeats had he continued.

He could have retired with 7/8 losses on his resume.

Floyd might retire at 50-0.

Who would rate higher though?