Hopkins is getting overrated...again

Yes.

Things getting a bit out of control. But they always do after a big fight, so I'm not surprised by the knee-jerk reactions.

The Bernard Hopkins greatest of all time/top-10 all-time/greatest MW of all time threads are amusing if nothing else.

 

good thread

 

I would say he does deserve to be ranked quite high.I do agree with you about his best wins coming against fighters smaller than him, winky, tito, ODLH etc, all blown up welterweights. I though mary poppins was fantastic on sat night, although I am glad that Pavlik has been found out as he was far more over rated. At least bhop has fought people that we can at least discuss if they were good wins or not, pavlik had only beaten 1 guy and america was putting him on a pedastal.

 

What you fail to realize is that Hopkins is 44 years old and still giving out boxing lessons. That fact alone destroys your argument handily.

 

True, it was a great win but it's being taken to far, RJJ and PBF are still better IMO.

 

Whats to overrate ? If anything he was underratted going into the fight !!

How many clowns picked Kelly by KO ?

The flip flopping is insane these days !!

 

Get the f*ck out of here.

Talk about looking at this from a glass half empty perspective. Anyone can do that to any fighter.

 

I thought that kelly was stale but bhop deserves great credit for putting in such a masterful performance at 43

 

- "Hopkins has a masisve styles advantage on him"
Yes, Hopkins does have a style that is very hard to beat. That is indeed a distinct strength of his.

- Pavlik was very good in beating Jermain Taylor at 166. This fight was a massive 4lbs north of that.

- He hasn't beaten a great fighter at his own weight because he became undisputed middleweight champion at a time when there weren't any great middleweights. He beat everyone there was to beat at 160, including a stupendous stoppage of 40-0 3-weight world champion and world p4p#2 Tito Trinidad. Later, he jumped 2 weight divisions and dominated the linear light-heavyweight champion.
What more do you want?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

- Joe Calzaghe was an undersized opponent?! You are very confused. Hopkins fought the vast majority of his career at 160lbs. Calzaghe fought the vast majority of his career at 168lbs. atsch

- "People putting him ahead of Harry Greb, Sugar Ray Robinson, Bob Fitzsimmons, Marvin Hagler or Carlos Monzon need to get a grip"
I agree about the others, but I certainly see the argument for Hopkins being ranked above Hagler. You may disagree, but that is not a wild/stupid view to hold.

- Does he deserve to be ranked among the true middleweight greats, based on a dominant win over an unproven, possibly overhyped, overweight fighter?
No, he deserves to be ranked among the true middleweight greats because of how good he was at middleweight.

 

I always enjoy your posts :good

 

Why not let the Hopkins fans enjoy his win?

Most of the media (and infact people on here) gave him no chance, against what was viewed as a feared KO artist. Hopkins beat him from the very first bell to the last second, aged 43 against someone in his prime 17 years younger.

Although Pavlik was vastly over-rated by many, he's still a decent fighter who had proven himself with the Taylor, Miranda wins etc. Great achievement at his advanced age in my book!

 

Question - when is the last time anyone seen B-Hop beaten decisively?

The Roy Jones fight? If that's the case that fight was in the 90's - so for over a decade now - this guys hasn't been beat up. Yeah - he lost a couple of fights - but there are some good arguements about those.

Give praise where praise is due. B-Hop last 5 fights were with guys that were ranked P4P and there's a good chance he could have won all those fights.

Is he one of the greatest middleweights ever?

He's for sure a HOF'er!

And the question shouldn't be whether or not he should be ranked among the best - based of his most recent win - but over his whole career. With that being said - my answer is YES.

If you disagree - who cares. It's a matter of opinion and like an ******* - everyone has one - and I always believes mines count.

 

Hopkins is underrated and has always been, when was he overrated exactly?, last I checked he was the underdog coming into Tarver, Wright, Calzaghe AND Pavlik. Four fights in a row he's a huge underdog, doesn't look like someone overrated to me and he will be the underdog going into his next fight as well.

As Pimp C said, the fact that he's 44 years old competing in the most dangerous sport destroys your point easily.

 

Was Hopkins the underdog vs Wright too? That is nuts.