Hopkins is getting overrated...again

I agree for the most part b/c this win didn't do anything for Bhop's legacy. That is already and has been in tact for years. This is just a very impressive win considering how old Hopkins is and how young and dominating PAV was at 160. Regardless of that Bhop is an ATG...and it's well deserved...even though he faught in a farily weak MW era he was so dominating and faught everyone that there is no questions that he was one of the most dominating MW champions of all time...that in itself is pretty amazing.

 

I agree with Jack. Good post, Jack. Here is my two cents worth:

The Pavlik vs. Hopkins fight was a joke with no impact of Pavlik's future, re:

I've been a lurker on this site and enjoy reading all the comments. I respect divergent opinions. Nevetheless, I admit I'm confused about today's state of boxing vs. years ago. Case in point is the recent Pavlik vs. Hopkins fight.

First, I believe Pavlik was outboxed by Hopkins. But, what did Pavlik lose ? A perfect record, which few fighters achieve. He did not fight for his middleweight belt or a title fight. He did put lots of money in his bank account, and at 4 to 1 odds, if I was a betting man, I may have betted against myself.

Second, these catchweight fights are similar to wrestling matches. Here, Pavlik moves up two weight classes from middleweight to Lt Heavy weight for a non-title fight ? He never fought at that weight before, I think ? What happened to tune up fights and fighting up through the ranks in a certain weight class ?

Third, if Hopkins was fighting for the middleweight belt, I think the Pavik performance factor may have been different.

Fourth, De La Hoya was stopped by Hopkins, yet the naysayers have little problem paying to see him fight PacMan or other ridiculous bouts that again are non-title fights. And, no one says De La Hoya was exposed or a bum when he had to stop fighting due to a body shot by Hopkins.

Finally, these professional fighters are at such a higher level that it is not beyond reason to make these fights sparring matches or a day at the gym for them. They can hedge on output, hold back on knockouts, and do just about anything to let you think it was a true fight. It is snake oil and smoke and mirrors with suckers paying to see these stupid fights.

So, this fight sustains Hopkins as an aging fighter who can fight Jones or Calzaghe (sic) again for more money. It sustains these guys for a few more years. If they were such greats why not fight for the middleweight belt or a championship bout ?

I can see no gain for Pavik for taking this fight other than a big pay day and being assured of future fights by the match makers.

I also think that Pavik will be back and clean up the middle weight division. He is young, hits hard, and needs a few adjustments.

These are solely my own personal opinions.

Cheers,

KMcD

 

Me and you are gonna have a falling out.

 

The Pavlik vs. Hopkins fight was a joke with no impact of Pavlik's future, re:

I've been a lurker on this site and enjoy reading all the comments. I respect divergent opinions. Nevetheless, I admit I'm confused about today's state of boxing vs. years ago. Case in point is the recent Pavlik vs. Hopkins fight.

First, I believe Pavlik was outboxed by Hopkins. But, what did Pavlik lose ? A perfect record, which few fighters achieve. He did not fight for his middleweight belt or a title fight. He did put lots of money in his bank account, and at 4 to 1 odds, (later 3 to 1) if I was a betting man, I may have betted against myself.

Second, these catchweight fights are similar to wrestling matches. Here, Pavlik moves up two weight classes from middleweight to Lt Heavy weight for a non-title fight ? He never fought at that weight before, I think ? What happened to tune up fights and fighting up through the ranks in a certain weight class ?

Third, if Hopkins was fighting for the middleweight belt, I think the Pavik performance factor may have been different.

Fourth, De La Hoya was stopped by Hopkins, yet the naysayers have little problem paying to see him fight PacMan or other ridiculous bouts that again are non-title fights. And, no one says De La Hoya was exposed or a bum when he had to stop fighting due to a body shot by Hopkins.

Finally, these professional fighters are at such a higher level that it is not beyond reason to make these fights sparring matches or a day at the gym for them. They can hedge on output, hold back on knockouts, and do just about anything to let you think it was a true fight. It is snake oil and smoke and mirrors with suckers paying to see these stupid fights.

So, this fight sustains Hopkins as an aging fighter who can fight Jones or Calzaghe (sic) again for more money. It sustains these guys for a few more years. If they were such greats why not fight for the middleweight belt or a championship bout ?

I can see no gain for Pavik for taking this fight other than a big pay day and being assured of future fights by the match makers.

I also think that Pavik will be back and clean up the middle weight division. He is young, hits hard, and needs a few adjustments.

These are solely my own personal opinions.

Cheers,

KMcD

 

well said.

don't be afraid to be blunt so long as you're making a point along the way - and you are.

good post too.

hard one to answer because it's almost like hopkins is getting persecuted for ruling a weak division and, even when he fought P4P fighters in or above his weight class, nobody ever looked good against him.

i guess the pavlik fight is almost his crowning achievement considering hopkins' age and that very few picked him to win.

personally, i think beating oscar gave him the most satisfaction because, although he didn't dislike oscar, he didn't like what he stood for.

musical career, golden tonsils, squeaky clean, model wife just seemed to fly in the face of the hardships hopkins faced.

tito was his masterclass IMO.

i guess my point is that he took all the chances that came his way and has also proved to be one of the greatest over-40 fighters ever.

 

Agree totally............he "fights" when necessary. Good for busine$$ but bad for the sport IMO.

JET

 

:yikes

 

The bookies and fans picked him to lose all those fights, so not only did the bookies confirm he's the underdog but the majority of fans as well. Almost no one gave him a chance against Tarver, Pavlik and Calzaghe, the Winky fight was a 50/50 type of discussion where he was also the underdog going in.

Doesn't sound like an overrated fighter no matter how hard you try to twist it. Hopkins was always underrated.

 

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Hopkins is being undderrated yet again.

 

It would be hard to overrated Hopkins, given the level of greatness he's achieved.

 

You were better as a lurker.

 

If it's a case of popularity then why was Floyd Mayweather the favorite going in against DLH?, why was Foreman the favorite going in against Ali?, Dawson over Tarver?, Calzaghe over Jones?...etc