Hopkins is great but fortunate

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  1. itrymariti

    itrymariti Cañas! Full Member

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    The Trinidad win was not Hopkins' best performance.
     
  2. general zod

    general zod World Champion Full Member

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    I completely agree Hopkins put on a masterful performance, but History has shown that Tito wasnt a very good mw. His record at that weight is 3-2.

    Joppys best wins were over shot Duran and Eastman who were both journeyman. So beating him is a solid win, but not a great win.
     
  3. general zod

    general zod World Champion Full Member

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    What was his best prformance at MW, if not the Tito performance?
     
  4. dbouziane

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    hopkins fought at beautiful fight. i watch the replay quite often. i just feel that toney stopping nunn is a better win. yes he was down on the cards b/c nunn was just that damn good at mw.

    six in one hand...half dozen in the other bone. i said you could put hopkins ahead of toney. i just rate a ko win over a prime undefeated nunn at mw that high. higher than anything hopkins did at mw and i respect what he did at mw.

    edit to note that the last thing i am is some fanboy of james toney. in fact, nothing made me happier than to see jones (who was my favorite fighter growing up) clown his ass for the title. i'm a big fan of both tito and bhop. i just have that much respect for nunn at mw.
     
  5. itrymariti

    itrymariti Cañas! Full Member

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    Allen II, Simon Brown are better candidates.
     
  6. Marnoff

    Marnoff Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Hopkins didn't have a weak Middleweight division. It wasn't an all-time great division either. It was average, and he dominated it.
     
  7. Marnoff

    Marnoff Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Allen II is one of my favourite all-time fights.
     
  8. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    When i say his division was weak, i was referring to his era as titlist, before he became the prime hopkins.

    that is a factor for me. toney and jones were prime before hopkins. it took nard a long time to become a dominant force.

    in 94/95 at 160 i would put jones and toney h2h above hopkins. and i dont see him surpassing them whilst they campaign at 160.

    his career as a mw surpasses what they achieved at mw. but at that time he was the worst of the trio.
     
  9. theflyest

    theflyest Boxing Addict Full Member

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    20 title defenses is very impressive & it takes a special fighter to do it. There is no way he was motivated for all those fights. There was no way he went in 100 % for every fight. Those guys were most likely highly motivated, so they tried to bring their A game. He still beat them.
     
  10. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    noone is questioning his achievements. but i think it was helped by the absence of jones and toney.
     
  11. hitman_hatton1

    hitman_hatton1 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    i think it was.

    excellent performance.

    ruthlessly picked apart trinidad's weak spots. :bbb
     
  12. hitman_hatton1

    hitman_hatton1 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    think hopkins might have beaten toney.

    would have been a good clash of styles back in the mid 90's.

    hopkins was more of a pressure fighter back then.

    and toney likes guys who bring it. :yep
     
  13. hitman_hatton1

    hitman_hatton1 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    yeah it was average.

    reminds me a bit of trinidad's welterweight title reign.

    a few too many don king hand picked easy ones.

    but some decent wins on it.

    trinidad onwards is where hopkins becomes a great fighter. :good
     
  14. exumspate

    exumspate Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Hopkins didn't have an extensive amateur career and still gave RJJ all he could handle...I was a RJJ fan and wasn't sure he pulled this fight out at the time...Hopkins got better quick and I think a rematch would have been a pick'em fight...

    Style wise, Hopkins beats Toney 9 out of 10 times at MW...
     
  15. vonBanditos

    vonBanditos Mσderator Full Member

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    He wasn't that fortunate. Until Tito nobody really paid attention to Hopkins. His reign is a nice little cherry on the top of his career, but he will be remembered mostly for who he beat and how he performed rather than the amount of time he held the crown.