Hopkins: Joe Calzaghe was more difficult an opponent than Roy Jones Jnr

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  1. sthomas

    sthomas Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Read between the lines. He was saying, If the Hopkins who fought Jones had fought this Calzaghe, he would have gotten smoked.
     
  2. JonOli

    JonOli Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Was it a US or UK clip?
     
  3. Redondo5

    Redondo5 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    there's no reading between the lines.... he said JC was harder.... and he also he stated WHY!

    he mentions it was harder to counter JC due to volume and speed of punches. And before you know it the rounds have flown by. So, he's not saying JC is better than RJJ, far from it. He's just saying he found him the more difficult opponent.

    The least it shows, is that BHop found Calzaghe difficult, which is enough to show the haters, that Calzaghe is a great fighter. You also have to Remember a 43 year old Hopkins just came off his "best performance" - according to himself.
     
  4. Sweet Pea

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    And I just said I agree with that all. My point is that the comparison between the two (which was the point of this thread) is useless given the circumstances in which he fought the two of them.
     
  5. JonOli

    JonOli Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    ...and also lost twice to Taylor.
     
  6. Redondo5

    Redondo5 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    It's not useless IMO, as BHop brings his memories and analysis to the table.... So he definately knows what he was capable of in both fights, and he knew how difficult he found them.... he just admits JC was more difficult than RJJ.

    Simple comparison, by the one who was in the best position to compare. He's comparing how hard HE FOUND THEM....so he's not comparing RJJ to Calzaghe directly....So it his perception....And a man who has fought them both doesn't bring Useless insight.....
     
  7. Sweet Pea

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    It's his perception based on the versions he faced at the different stages of his career that he faced them, therefore to base a prime for prime comparison of the two on what Hopkins said is useless. That is my point, not that Hopkins's opinion was useless, but that people are taking it out of context by trying to compare the two based on what he said.
     
  8. Robbi

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    Fair enough Pea. I don't think Hopkins' awnser is useless though as it's an honest one and can't be discounted entirely at all IMO based on the cirumstances. But I guess you bin it based on the unfair comparison with the stages at when Hopkins' fought them both, etc.
     
  9. Bummy Davis

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    Hopkins was holding faking a foul and looking for rest vs JC.....Calzage dont rest and some of his punces are light but the one that ripped open Jones eye was not light....and B-hop was not reckless vs Joe....Roy said It did not feel like pitter-patter to me
     
  10. Rock0052

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    Yeah, the thread had an ulterior motive. It's also tough to do much better finding fodder for such a thread than a direct quote from the only guy to have fought both of them.

    You consider it useless because you disagreed with the outcome of the interview, the motives behind the thread, or both. You're doing quite a sell job to try to make it look like you're being fair on it, but let's be completely honest here- if he'd said Jones was the tougher matchup, you wouldn't be trying to discredit the entire thing by questioning Hopkins' perspective.
     
  11. Sweet Pea

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    That pretty much goes without saying. Had he said it the other way around I wouldn't have agreed with the circumstances in which he presented the argument, but I wouldn't have any objection with his answer, therefore I likely wouldn't have taken the time to make a post about how inept the comparison was.

    Either way, do you really think the comparison works? It's Hop's opinion based on the two circumstances in which he fought both, not on who was the better fighter prime for prime or the more difficult fighter to deal with prime for prime. Similar to what Robbi said earlier involving Ali with Liston and Spinks. Obviously Spinks was the more difficult challenge at that stage, but it has no bearing on a comparison between Spinks and Liston at their best.
     
  12. konaman

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    I would call it useless. Its coming from a guy that picked Jones to beat Calzaghe when he was clearly shot, stating that he was on a different level to Calzaghe. Its also a stupid statement considering Jones must have been a pretty difficult opponent considering Hopkins got dominated. Whereas the Calzaghe fight was much closer.
     
  13. drvooh

    drvooh Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Was it hard to hear Bernard?? I could barely make it out
     
  14. Redondo5

    Redondo5 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Your mistake is that your comparing Jones to Calzaghe.... Hopkins was asked the question which do you think was the more difficult fight for you.....BIG DIFFERANCE....in fact what you are comparing and have understood from his speech is not only useless, it's completly wrong.

    Hopkins was asked that question,he found it more difficult to fight JC in 2008 than RJJ in 1993. Now he does not mention anything to do with age or prime etc....he just mentions JC boxing style and his volume punches winning rounds. He clearly states JC is more difficult to work out.

    Hopkins opinion is worth what it is. Ans his opinion on who he found more difficult is more significant than what you or i think who he should've found more difficult. Hopkins opinion on who will win is completely differant and is less significant.

    Hopkins found JC more difficult than RJJ = FACT - why this was the case could be debated, however Bernard himself explains why briefly in the video. No one can now turn around and say RJJ was more difficult an opponent for BHop. BHop is the one who decides who he found more difficult. This can not be debated. It's like if I like Chocolate no one can say I like Vanilla. I know what I like regardless of your opinion or analysis. The only way this isn't true is if BHop is lying.

    Hopkins opinion RJJ was still good and would beat RJJ = OPINION - could be right or wrong based on his analysis. Turned out to be wrong.
     
  15. boxbox

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    ROY never stood a chance...he was SHOT getting in the ring. Didnt everybody, except the CALHUGGERS, know this?!?!