Hopkins middleweight resume ?, ATG status ? and prime ?

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  1. trampie

    trampie Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Hopkins middleweight resume
    Hopkins was a career middleweight who was a World title holder for many years but how good were his wins during his long middleweight reign, was Joppy his best win ?, was career lightweight/welterweight DLH who had only won one title at the weight his best win ?, was Trinidad a career welterweight who like DLH had only had won one title at middleweight, Hopkins best win ? or was it Glen Johnson who had never fought for a title before fighting Hopkins his best win ?.
    Hopkins resume during his middleweight career seems to be average at best, as the other names on his record are not stellar for a potential ATG ?, Hopkins failed to win his first World title fight against another first timer in young Roy Jones and then he failed in his second attempt getting a draw against Mercado.

    Hopkins ATG status
    Hopkins middleweight career came to an end after losing his middleweight crown to Taylor and then trying to regain his titles at middleweight only to lose again to Taylor, after that Hopkins stepped up in weight and beat Tarver, then Wright, then lost to Calzaghe, then beat Pavlik, Ornelas, Jones Jnr and drew with Pascal.
    How good is/was Hopkins when he was 'raised in class' to coin a horse racing phrase ?, Hopkins lost against Roy Jones, Taylor twice and Calzaghe, not to mention a debut defeat and a couple of draws.

    Hopkins Prime
    If you look at Hopkins on his 25th birthday he had only had one fight and lost it, if you look at Hopkins up until his 35th birthday he had won the IBF version of the middleweight title several times but not beat any 'top level' boxers, between 35 and 40 Hopkins beat career lightweight/welterweight DLH and then Trinidad a career welterweight, Hopkins at 40 lost twice to Taylor {both very close on pts}, Hopkins beat Tarver at 41, Hopkins beat Wright at 42, Hopkins lost to Calzaghe at 43 and later on the same year at 43 Hopkins beat Pavlik, at 44 he beat Ornelas, at 45 he beat Roy Jones and drew with Pascal.
    Calzaghe won a World title at 25 years of age after being a champion amateur boxer, Roy Jones won a World title at 24 years of age {against Hopkins incidently} after being a champion amateur boxer. Hopkins did not win his first World title till he was 30 years old, was Hopkins an amateur champion ?, Hopkins started later than most boxers, that is one reason why he is going strong at his age, Calzaghe was closer to retirement and more shop worn at 36 than Hopkins was at 43 when they fought, Hopkins is anywhere between 5 years and 10 years fresher than his age in boxing terms because he was a late starter, compare Hopkins of today with Roy Jones of today, was Hopkins best years between 35 and 40 when he only beat welterweights and Joppy or were his best years between 40 and 45 when Hopkins had learned ring craft and started mixing it with Taylor twice, Tarver, Wright, Calzaghe and Pascal.

    Questions for the board
    Against who was Hopkins best middleweight win ?
    Against who was Hopkins best ever win ?
    Is Hopkins an ATG ? {if so top 100 or top 50}
    When was Hopkins prime ? {is there much difference prime wise for Hopkins between 25 and 45 ?}
     
  2. PowerPuncher

    PowerPuncher Loyal Member Full Member

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    Well I think Calzaghe only fought bums and old men
     
  3. trampie

    trampie Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Yes we know that from bodhi, but what about Hopkins whats the story with this apparent American legend and all time great ?, what does the great and the good of the 'classic' forum think of Mr Hopkins ?
     
  4. D.T

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    The last time someone really beat Roy Jones was when Johnson did.
     
  5. D.T

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    Hopkins is Top 10 Middleweight maybe even Top 5.

    Hagler, Robinson, Greb, Monzon then maybe Hopkins.
     
  6. trampie

    trampie Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Do you fancy having a go at answering the questions D.T ?
     
  7. bodhi

    bodhi Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    This.
     
  8. trampie

    trampie Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Top 5 ATG middleweight, thats quite some boxer, who did this top 5 ATG middleweight beat to be ranked so highly, I heard that an equally dominant super middleweight who did have great wins at his weight unlike Hopkins, beat this great American boxer Bernard Hopkins when he was close to his prime, I guess if classic posters are being fair and unbiased then the dominant supermiddle that went up in weight to face Hopkins who had been at lightheavy for sometime, must rank this career super middleweight extremely highly in the ATG stakes, I heard the guy won every fight he had too.

    Surely classic posters have no agenda, surely classic posters are not biased, if they think that Hopkins is an ATG then lets hear why, who did Hopkins beat that were excellent wins ?, what was Hopkins greatest ever win ?, when was Hopkins prime ?, why has Hopkins got a few defeats on his resume ? was he beaten by better boxers ?, are the boxers that beat Hopkins also ATG's ?
    Some classic posters seem to think they are know all's, some are no doubt, others my be bluffers who are not objective and just fanboys and haters like in the general, so lets have it 'classic' forumists, whats the story with Hopkins, observations on the lead post welcomed and of course if possible answers to the questions, thanks for your time classic forumists.
     
  9. bodhi

    bodhi Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Hopkins > Calzaghe.

    Calzaghe fought only bums and old men.
     
  10. teeto

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    The answer lies within this statement;

    Calzaghe only fought bums and old men
     
  11. trampie

    trampie Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Calzaghe was just one boxer that beat Hopkins, what about Hopkins career, how good is he/was he ?, what was Hopkins best wins ?, what is the answers to the lead posts questions ?

    Classic posters are starting to show themselves up here, detailed discussion about some topics and boxers but not about Bernard Hopkins, why I wonder ?
     
  12. bodhi

    bodhi Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    :lol:

    Calzahge beat only bums and old men.
     
  13. teeto

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    :deal
     
  14. trampie

    trampie Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Ducked big time, Anglo Saxons sticking together, afraid to answer, its early days yet, lets see in the next 24 hours or so if any classic forumists have an opinion on Bernard Hopkins, because even flippant one sentence answers tell a story, interesting very interesting.
     
  15. bodhi

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    Calzaghe fought only bums and old men.