Hopkins middleweight resume ?, ATG status ? and prime ?

Whether Trinidad was his best win or not what is true is that it was a good win and it was over an established middleweight, he had just beaten a middleweight contender, so that makes it a legitimate middleweight fight for Hopkins, regardless of how many middleweight fights Trinidad had. It is definitely a better win than Oscar, which is not a good win at 160 in my opinion as i thought he lost to Felix Sturm clearly. Trinidad for me is a better win than Joppy in terms of the at the time 160 scene because he had just obliterated him. In terms of which was a better win in hindsight then you can take different approaches to it. If you are going to say Joppy is a better win because of his body of work at 160 in comparison to Trinidad's then that is feasible, but what it puts the emphasis on is that Hopkins' best 160 win was over a non-great. If you take the opinion that Trinidad is a better win than Joppy for Hopkins because of reasons aforementioned then you are putting the emphasis on Hopkins beating a great fighter. Everybody has an angle. For me i'll put myself out there and say Trinidad is his best 160 win because it was over an established 160 man (no debate), who was great, albeit only great in terms of achievements at lower weights, and Trinidad seriously outclassed Joppy.

 

His best ever win might be Tarver, i consider him to have beaten Calzaghe but technically speaking Calzaghe was not great at light-heavyweight.

 

Yes he is an atg, there are other fighters considered great who don't have a win over a bona fide great at their finest weight, so let's just make sure we are consistent with the application of our logic, that goes to everyone. I really can't say top 50 or top 100 sorry as i haven't compiled such a list.

His prime was probably when most fighters' primes are, around 20-something, i don't know when his peak was though, it's hard to say. For me somebody like Floyd Mayweather actually looks a better ring general in his later years after declining somewhat physically (therefore not in his physical prime), so you have to find the balance and determine when his actual peak was. It might be similar with Bernard. His best performances came around the Tito fight, some of the performances in the years leading up to that were immense.

 

I like how hopkins was fighting in his mid to late 30's. his fights with rock allen, antwun echols, and tito were a very nice blend of his ring smarts and he still had some decent speed. He had a lot of weapons at his command in those fights and he had the athletisicm to use them.

I think he's an all time great, but i never made a list so not sure where to put him. im a fan of his too so im biased.

 

If Hopkins didn't lose most of his left lung in a near fatal condom accident he would have been the GOAT. As is he beats every HW before Ali.

 

Teeto you seem to have gone off an a strange tangent and forgot the key point here, Calzaghe only ever beat bums and old men

 

My mistake, please let us get back to normal procedure.

Calzaghe only beat bums and old men

 

I don't see what you're trying to tell me. I know all this.

Prime=your physical best years

Peak=when you were at your best as a result of the determining factors of the overall make-up of yourself as a fighter.

Like i said, Hopkins was likely in his prime when most people are, but it is hard to say when his peak was.

 

Oh ok i see, your angle is that Hopkins wasn't great. You should just state your own argument instead of hiding it and trying to fault those of others. I've given mine anyway, i must go now.

 

Trampie, do you consider Wilfredo Gomez great?