Hopkins middleweight resume ?, ATG status ? and prime ?

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  1. Nicky P

    Nicky P Jamiva Boxing Full Member

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    but wasn't b hop still a relative pup in the pro fight game in '93?
     
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  2. bodhi

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    Hearns at lhw or cw of course.
     
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  3. Nicky P

    Nicky P Jamiva Boxing Full Member

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    hopkins was a middleweight though when tommy was a light heavy/cruiser.

    cmon though people, aside from pachilles knowledge of the duran possibility, how many good fighters were there at middle that he never faced? wasn't it just a case of a weak crop of middles then?

    im getting that feeling again..... not that feeling that you get when you climb the rope in middle school for the first time.... the other feeling that folks are out for blood.... b hops that is....
     
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  4. trampie

    trampie Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Kessler still going, Hopkins still going.
     
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  5. bodhi

    bodhi Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Bums and old men. :hi:
     
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  6. Unforgiven

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    I think Hopkins is a bit overrated.
    But you have to admire his dedication to his trade, and longevity at it.
     
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  7. trampie

    trampie Well-Known Member Full Member

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    On the Hopkins / Calzaghe debate.

    Calzaghe beat a near peak Hopkins in the USA.
    Calzaghe was a multiple champion that won every fight he ever had.
    Hopkins was a multiple champion also, but has lost 5 fights and drew 2 fights.
    Calzaghe and Hopkins were both dominant in their weight classes.
    Calzaghe and Hopkins both moved up in weight and won.

    Those are the facts, there is no basis in fact to say that one is a high ranking ATG but the other isnt.

    If one mans resume is slightly better at their career weight, then its minimal, then the other mans resume is better at the top end because his main challengers were multiple champions at the weight and not boxers moving up.
    If one boxer fought more at a higher weight that is balanced out by losing at home to the other boxer, if one boxer was older than the other boxer this is equalled out by the other boxer being more past prime and nearer retirement and winning the head to head.

    There is no basis in fact to say that one is a high ranking ATG but the other isnt, the evidence shows that if one is a high ranking all time great boxer then so is the other.

    If there is a case to answer for one of them being a high ranking ATG and the other not, it should be for the boxer that has won every single fight and beat the other one head to head and not the boxer that has lost 5 times being a high ranking ATG, there is no evidence to suggest that the boxer with 5 defeats on their record should be ranked much higher up the rankings than the unbeaten champion, in this case.

    Put it like this Calzaghe may because of the facts be ranked a league higher than Hopkins, but because of the facts Hopkins cannot be ranked a league higher than Calzaghe, only in the same league at best.
     
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  8. kopejh

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    resume should be a consideration but so should how they look.

    someone like Holyfield has better wins than Hopkins but Hopkins clearly looked like the better fighter peak for peak
     
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  9. bodhi

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    You forgot the most important fact: Calzaghe only fought bums and old men. :hi:
     
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  10. trampie

    trampie Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Loser :hi:
     
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  11. manbearpig

    manbearpig A Scottish Noob Full Member

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    Pachilles :lol:
     
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  12. Unforgiven

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    I don't think so.
     
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  13. lefthook31

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    What does that really have to do with anything, they still are what they are. Cue Bodhi. :lol:
     
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  14. bodhi

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    Bums and old men. :good
     
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  15. trampie

    trampie Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Loser:hi:
     
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