Hopkins never beat an A-level fighter in his entire career at a fair weight

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  1. HEADBANGER

    HEADBANGER TEAM ELITE GENERAL Full Member

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    That just illustrates that everyone knew Hopkins wasn't nothing special, that he was clearing out the weakest 160 era out in boxing history, hiding from the real challenges in the elite 168 division.

    Trinidad may have been a good welterweight but he certainly wasn't a great middleweight. Does beating William Joppy with concrete gloves really justify you being called 'great'? :rofl

    Tell me what the 5 best wins of Joppys career are so I can get a better idea of his calibre :think

    The fact is that Trinidad had been knocked down 7 times as a welterweight and yet you guys still thought he would beat Hopkins despite having his handwraps thoroughly checked and moving up 2 weight divisions :oops: :rofl

    If Trinidad was such a great middleweight, tell me about his fight with inky wright at 160 :yep
     
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    HEADBANGER TEAM ELITE GENERAL Full Member

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    Thank you mind reader, you are indeed a gent and scholar of the highest possible order :deal

    Ham n eggers like CJ (Complete Jackass) are food and drink for a Team Elite General, we pwn him with consummate ease on a daily basis with the use of irrefutable scientific facts in deliciously crystal clear HD before a global audience of millions :yep

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  3. HEADBANGER

    HEADBANGER TEAM ELITE GENERAL Full Member

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    Thank you, it does seem an accurate summary, theres is plenty of credit given to Hopkins as well as exposing the smoke in mirrors that fooled the gullable HBO fanboys.
     
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  4. dmille

    dmille We knew, about Tszyu, before you. Full Member

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    He "drags" opponents up above their best weights to fight him? Tito and Oscar didn't know what weight the fight was contracted for?

    All this time I thought 147 lbers have been moving up to 160 ever since the beginning of the sport. Maybe Tommy Ryan and Mickey Walker and Lou Brouillard didn't know what weights they were fighting at either.

    How dare that cheater Carlos Monzon drag Benvenuti & Griffith & Napoles above their best weight to fight him! The sneaky Marvin Hagler should have worked himself down to 147 or 154 if he wanted to fight Duran and Hearns and Leonard!
     
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  5. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    Quite right. Has he retired?
     
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  6. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    I know what happened, and I read your links last year.

    Every fighter is different, and so are the circumstances.

    We know that Tarver said he had trouble cutting he weight.

    Chad Dawson had an absolute nightmare last year. John Scully came on here and gave a candid account of what he went through.

    Chad's younger than Roy, and he'd had less fights and didn't drop as much weight.

    Roy left his Ruiz physique on, in the hope of having other HW fights.

    He was 35, he'd fought 50 times, he'd never cut muscle before, and it was done in a hurry.
     
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    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    general zod,

    I'm good, it's nice to see you. I love our debates, and I wish you could spend more time on here.

    :good

    You make a great contribution to his site.
     
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  8. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    Yet he still beat Tarver
     
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  9. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    It speaks volumes.

    It was a great win, under the circumstances.
     
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  10. Mind Reader

    Mind Reader J-U-ICE Full Member

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    Absolutely
     
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    Mind Reader J-U-ICE Full Member

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    Here we have a case where a challenger won back to back world titles at HW to LHW.. Any boxing historian will tell you how rare that is..

    This is something any fan would love to be able to claim that their fighter had done..:yep

    And I am sticking to facts.. Which you have been called out on lately, so peoples opinions on how shitty of world champs John Ruiz and Antonio Tarver were, should not matter..:deal

    But the facts are facts, and it was a rare statistic, and achievement.:good
     
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  12. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    Under what circumstances. Have you a source to say Jones cut muscle?


    Makes Calzaghes win look better

    "I'm feeling magnificent now," Jones told ESPN.com. "It [the knockout defeats] was never a case of being too confident. It was the trauma of coming down from heavyweight to light heavyweight. My body got dehydrated after losing all that weight, that's all. Now my body's completely readjusted."
    http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/boxing/news/story?id=3684713


    Roy Jones Jr: My body is back down to my normal weight now. As opposed to when I fought Johnson when I was not at my normal weight. I was coming down from over 200 pounds. Now I am down to where I am walking around at about 185 so I am good.
    http://www.15rounds.com/roy-jones-jr-conference-call-transcript-110208/
     
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  13. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    :lol:
    Good post
     
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  14. LikeFatherNSon

    LikeFatherNSon Boxing Addict Full Member

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    So then what makes a great middleweight? Was Roy Jones a great middleweight?
     
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  15. Mind Reader

    Mind Reader J-U-ICE Full Member

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    The weight certainly played into it. You can see in the last few rounds where it looked like it was hard for Roy to even get off the stool in the corner.. It showed Roy Jones dig down and find a little more, when he was clearly almost out on his feet.. This was a Roy we had never seen before.

    This wasn't quite the same for me as Toney vs Jones, or Eubank vs Calzaghe where neither Toney or Eubank looked really drained, they just looked overwhelmed to me... Something was clearly wrong with Roy.

    That and winning world titles back to back at HW and LHW, also when you consider how dangerous and motivated Tarver was...

    It was a great win, all things considered.. In my opinion anyway.
     
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