Hopkins never beat an A-level fighter in his entire career at a fair weight

Are you implying Hakkar wasn't A level?

 

you're a hypocrite of the highest degree. when you don't believe what someone says, that means you think they're lying. holy ****, this is what our posts have come to.

ok, jones was in his prime when he fought joe. i mean most fighters are just starting to come into their own a month before their 40th birthday. :roll:jones was on a three fight win streak vs prince badi ajamu, anthony hanshaw, and old felix trinidad. this was obviously enough to sell the fight to calzaghe fans. the fight did horrible here in the states on ppv; 225,000 buys.

http://www.badlefthook.com/2008/11/15/662226/calzaghe-jones-ppv-numbers

here some facts for you since you like them so much. joe beat roy over 4 years after tarver and johnson knocked him out and then joe beat bernard 3 years after jermain taylor did twice. roy and bhop had a combined age of 83 when joe fought them. where do you rank tarver, johnson, and taylor as fighters? it must be pretty high because they all had better wins over younger versions of jones and bhop.

 

Great post!

 

wow!! i just had to point out these two "arguments" you had. if you can't tell the difference between jones vs hall and jones vs calzaghe, your boxing IQ is incredibly low. the only similarities in those fights is that both hall and calzaghe went down in the first round. jones had absolutely no legs left as early as '04. bailey, i know you're a young guy but things start to happen to you as you get older, especially in the sport of boxing. even the great fighters only have a short period of time of when they are truly great.

as far as your fighter who beat the fighter argument, we can all decide then that michael smyth is the highest ranked fighter among everyone you just listed since he beat joe. all roads lead to michael smyth.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tm7qcmu7UvQ

 

Calzaghe got dropped and only managed a debatable SD against Hopkins, got dropped again and couldn't stop shot Jones.

Calzaghe went to the States to fight Taylor's, Tarver's and Johnson's left overs. (and looked like sh*t doing it lol).

 

Futile argument.

Calzaghe was 36 when he fought both men, so that has to be taken into account if you are combining their ages, and it = 72.

Hopkins had already **** out on a fight with the Welshman years earlier choosing to back out from all his verbal and take on Carl Daniels instead.

As for the Jones fight, it wasn't necessary to sell it to Calzaghe's fans, because like Joe, they were well aware that Jones presented no threat to Joe, because he didn't know what the fvck to do in a boxing ring without his reflexes.

Its not Calzaghe's or indeed his fans fault, if the delusional, semi literate, Floridian fool, still thought that he did.

 

you're making the argument for me. joe took the fight because he knew roy was no threat. what a great champion! :roll: he took the fight to get jones' name on his resume so he could get his fans, like you, to think he was a great fighter. people like me that followed his career know better. very good fighter, no question but hardly one of the sports greats.

 

But how does it make Joe look?

He dismissed Roy as a threat, said a fight would be pointless, said that he'd be disappointed if it was to be his last fight, yet he still fought him anyway.

It just looks bad on Joseph.

Beating a guy on points at nearly 40, four years after he's been knocked cold at 35?

Wow!

Roy then got stopped by Green in the first round, just a year later.

It was a joke of a fight!

 

Roy Jones was 3 years older than Calzaghe...

At the time of the fight had 11 more fights, fought over 100 more rounds, fought in two weights lower and two weights higher than Joe's lowest and highest weights... Roy was older, and had far more miles on his body than Joe.

Roy's winning streak had also ended 4 years earlier with his first real loss, Joe was still riding his.

Joe was much closer to his best than Roy.

It is hard to name Joe at his best though.. As he had to change his style because of his hands.. The raw young version of Joe that beat Eubank hit much harder than Joe that fought Jones.. But older Joe was also more smart, more experienced and actually developed a bit of a slickness, as seen against Jones.. Joe was a better boxer than most give him credit for.

One thing Joe was able to maintain his whole career, was his insane stamina and high work rate, which was one of his biggest strengths. He threw nearly 1000 punches against Roy.. I don't know of many past it fighters that can do that.

 

Is this Bailey guy saying that Jones was at the same level in both the Hall and Calzaghe fights.... wow... insane.

 

Boxing fans are smarter than you. You need boxing 101 with this pathetic outlook. Why don't you tell us the A level fighter that Wlad beat. I love Calzaghe, but name an A level fighter that Calzaghe beat.

I saw a post here ask what was the difference between the Roy that fought Hall and the Roy that Cal beat. #Sick

 

Bernard Hopkins.. As old as he was, he was still an elite fighter, and proved it further after Calzaghe beat him. this was Calzaghe's best win in my opinion, when you factor in that Calzaghe won a world title at his second weight, in America.. Something Eubank, DM and many others didn't attempt.

I can't agree with bailey here.. The Roy that fought Hall was clearly a different animal.:yep

 

In bailey's examples, you need to hear no further than the difference in commentary..

Against Hall, they were praising Roy's ability, but also praised Hall's punch output, that many southpaws couldn't get off as much against Roy as Hall was, they also said Hall was better than they thought. Even though he was getting schooled completely.

Against Calzaghe, the commentators mentioned that Roy didn't have knockouts for so long because he didn't commit to his punches anymore.. They also said he wasn't near as fast as he was.. Those left hooks Jones was missing Calzaghe with look outright sluggish, especially when comparing them to his left hooks in the Hall fight.. Remember, a sluggish non committed left hook got him knocked out against Tarver 4 years earlier.

I duplicate their comments.. But I also notice the difference in Jones' confidence.. Ever since he was knocked out, he seemed to be afraid to trade punches, and didn't fight with the confidence that it took for him to be successful, as the style he had took much confidence.

Can you imagine what Roy would have done to Hall had he dropped his hands like Calzaghe did? When Joe dropped his hands and Roy did much of nothing, I could see he was not 100% upstairs, I knew he was going to lose that fight.. Look no further than what happened to defensive wizard, iron chinned Toney when he dropped his hands against Roy, 14 years earlier.

I honestly just don't see bailey's examples being comparable at all.

 

I'm a big Calzaghe fan, but I don't think that he beat Hop.