Hopkins or GGG

I remembered it from when it happened. For a link to the scene article Google - GGG's Team Turned Down Ward in 36 Minutes.

GGG purposefully killed the fight by requesting a higher share of the purse and a catchweight of 164lbs. He had no interest in testing himself against an ATG like Ward. He had a fight with the P4P#1 right in front of him , easily made , but he opted to fight Dom Wade and Dave Lemiuex instead. This was after years of him claiming to be ducked as well.

It kinda tells you he knew he had no chance in winning a fight with Ward. Ward was like Hopkins in many ways , so it kinda tells you he wouldn't have beaten Hopkins either.

 

Perhaps the offer in 2017 was honestly meant, though. While he had yet to face Canelo, he had come closer to the position Sanchez said in 2013 they wanted him to have before facing Ward. So in that sense it's pretty consistent.

The timing is strange, though, (when Ward is preparing for a very difficult rematch which he is far from certain to win) and the demand that Ward move down to 168 lbs is also a bit far fetched imo. So it might well be that is was more a way of getting Canelo to show his cards than a sincere offer.

 

Anything past 2016 isn't worth talking about as Ward was gone to 175 and he wasn't going back down. There wasn't even any offer , Sanchez knowing Ward was out of the picture just said they'd suddenly be willing to fight.

Ward said he couldn't go back down , but then said he'd fight at 175 no problem. Abel went silent.

Ward was very eager to fight GG back in 2016 and proposed a very fair and honest 50/50 to try get it made. GG and Sanchez came out with every excuse in the book why they shouldn't take it , from Ward isn't a PPV star to GG doesn't need Ward.

On the other hand Kovalev was very serious about fighting Ward , which is why those two fights were made easily without any problems.

GG showed back then and is still showing today that he does not want to take hard fights. Would a guy who drops a belt to avoid his mandatory so he can fight a retired 154 pounder ever have been willing to fight a guy like Ward at 168?
Its amazing to think that some fools actually claim that Ward was the one who ducked him. lol

 

Did Ward give a 50-50 offer? At 168? That I didn't know. I agree, if GGG didn't accept such an offer he flat out didn't want the fight.

 

Tom Loeffler responded by claiming GG should have been offered a higher percentage.

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That PPV against Lemiuex flopped and GG was only paid 2M for it. A PPV with Ward was obviously way bigger and more lucrative.

 

Yeah, that sounds weak.

Not saying that GGG had any obligation to go up to 168 and face Ward, but they should have come clean and just said that they didn't want to. That 164 lbs was as high a weight as they would consider. Sanchez's words in 2013 that he was sure that GGG would beat Ward at 168 but didn't want to make the fight as the B side ring very hollow when they turn down a 50-50.

 

late 50s-60s was best time for middles then look at the guys Hop head fought ,its a joke......SRR,Gene,Don FULLMER,Spider Webb; Hank CASEY,Henry HANK,Joeys Giardello,Giambra,Basilio,Gustav Scholz,Bo HOEGBERG, Benvenuti,Mazzinghi,Ki Soo KIM,George Benton,Jesse Smith,FLOROTINO Fernandez,Emile Griffith, Loie Rodriquez,, hahaha you tell me Keith Holmes, Allen,, HAKKAR THE OTHER GREAT middles racist ,Hop HEAD fought compare

 

Sir why would GGG,move up to fight Stevenson at LH.I said Pavlik was making mistake to move up to LH

 

HEY ..GOOD EXCELENT QUESTION ..WHY DIDNT HOP HEAD FIGHT ANDRE WARD HAHAHAHEEHA

 

Umm, excuse me, but why should Golovkin go up a weight class, AND carry the financial aspect of the fight against a well known diva like Ward, who barely fights out of Oakland at the best of times? It's well known that Ward has a boring style and can't draw flies to **** in terms of viewership.

That's absurd, you'd have to be mentally slow to make that deal.

Either Ward gives up purse or he gives up weight.

He didn't want to do either. Good ol' diva Ward. The same guy that pummelled hopelessly outmatched Brand and tossed him a Happy Meal and a McToy as payment when he himself took home almost a million dollars.

Then, its well documented, as I have linked to it already - that when Golovkin's team floated the idea of a GGG / Ward fight at the weight Ward had wanted - 168 - Ward refused pointblank. And that's from a guy that insisted Paul Smith face him at 172lb instead of the 175lb of the weight class. So Ward has no problem playing with weights when he's the one benefitting. Who's really dodging whom here? Should GGG, who is a small MW, have to go up to 175 to please a much bigger guy?

Hell, no.

 

Because the audience would fall into narcolepsy?

 

BCS8 HAHAHAHAHEEHAHAHEHAHE

 

In 2013 Sanchez says that GGG will be happy to face Ward at 168 when he's established enough not to be the B-side.

Then in 2015 they instantly turn down a 50-50 offer (i e they would not be the B-side) and says they will face Froch (whom Ward has well beaten) or Chavez at 168 lbs, but not Ward. They will only face Ward at 164 lbs for more than half the purse. https://www.*******.com/roc-nation-gggs-team-turned-down-ward-36-minutes--96761

Finally in 2017, when Ward has gone up to 175 lbs, Sanchez floats the idea of a fight at 168 lbs.

In my view, you have to be pretty darn biased to see this as GGG being interested in facing Ward. I don't think the Sanchez's suggestion in 2017 of a fight at 168 was serious, but rather an attempt to force Canelo's hand. Why would Ward be interested in going to to 168, or even take it seriously, when GGG:s camp flat out rejected that fight two years earlier, before Ward had moved up? They made it clear then they only were interested in inferior opposition at 168 like Chavez and Froch. You can't do that and still posture like you're willing to face anyone.

For four years they had come up with different reasons not to face Ward at 168 lbs. And they never even came back with a firm offer for a fight - Sanchez just floated the idea when it was clear Ward had moved on from 168 lbs. They just weren't interested in the fight.

 

Taylor beat Bhop twice.

 

From your link:
They felt a fight with Ward would not have generated the same financial benefits as a fight with Froch or Chavez.

Golovkin is doing the heavy lifting in terms of viewership, by far. How TF does that translate into Ward dictating terms? Of course Golovkin would be willing to give something up for a Chavez or Froch fight because THEY would be the A-side in terms of generating income. He was willing to drain himself to a stick for Floyd at 154lb. Why? Because Floyd would be the A side.

But in actual fact your Roc Nation link doesn't tell the truth. The truth is this:

"“GGG is now clearly the ‘A’ side yet Ward still would want to dictate terms, which makes no sense,” Loeffler said.

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https://www.boxingnews24.com/2015/07/loeffler-ggg-would-fight-ward-on-a-50-50-basis-at-164/

So Golovkin is not only offering a 50-50 deal, but he's also doing the heavy lifting in terms of generating income. WARD REFUSED THAT DEAL.

Yes, and so what? Ward's fought his whole life at 168. Big deal. Ward was winding up his career anyway. Who did he fight after Kova? He could have easily dropped back to 168 and taken his time about it, for a bigger payday than he got vs Kovalev. But, he had better things to do, I guess?

Ummm ... because he's GOTTEN the weight that he asked for? His trainer Virgil Hill was chuffed that Golovkin had caved in to the 168lb weight and had this to say:

"Of course he can make 168 - if the money is right. He is still a super middleweight," Hunter told TownBizzNizz Sports & Media "We have unfinished business at light heavyweight. I don't know if [Ward will] go back down. But he's not a light heavyweight, he's still a super middleweight. Time will tell if we move back down, but there shouldn't be any reason now on why [Golovkin] won't fight us. I don't think they could use those excuses again [that they used two years ago]. After we finish with Kovalev, if we decide to go back down, [we'd fight Golovkin]."

https://www.******scene.com/golovkin-promoter-if-ward-returns-168-fight-happen--115148

From the same article, GGG's promoter's response:

"“We’ve always said that Gennady could move up to 168 if it made sense. We tried to make the Chavez fight [at 168]. We tried to make the Froch fight [at 168]. Now [Gilberto] Ramirez is talking about fighting Triple G. He’s an undefeated 168 pound champion. Andre Ward, he’s got the Kovalev rematch. If he can win that one and come back down to 168 - I think that's a great fight,” said Loeffler to *******.com.

“When they were originally talking about fighting Gennady,

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My response was clear - if Andre was at 168 we can make that fight."

Ward's response we all know:

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Who's really dodging here??????