Hopkins peaking between 1987 and 1993

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  1. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    B-hop comes into full maturity just after Hagler-Leonard, what happens? Does he establish dominance or does he become only a really good MW on level with Hearns, Kalambay, Nunn, McCallum, Toney etc? Or not even that? Who does beat and who beats him?
     
  2. GPater11093

    GPater11093 Barry Full Member

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    Probably has a steeper learning curve, and might take longer to get to the top.
     
  3. PowerPuncher

    PowerPuncher Loyal Member Full Member

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    He's not beating all those men, no way, there's probably only 1 or 2 MWs in history that beat all of those men, he could conceivably lose to all 5 of them and become a journeyman
     
  4. itrymariti

    itrymariti Cañas! Full Member

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    :rofl
     
  5. TheGreatA

    TheGreatA Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    He would have been another Sanderline Williams.


    Seriously though, with his longevity Hopkins would have always made his mark at some stage. If he struggled at 160, he could have easily gone on to a weak light heavyweight division to dominate.
     
  6. PowerPuncher

    PowerPuncher Loyal Member Full Member

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    Laugh but that's how it happens, a lack of success, a lack of fights, inactivity, having to take fights on 1 weeks notice, continually getting on the wrong end of decisions. He would quickly deteriate with those set backs and many potential champs have. Having said all that Hopkins was probably bloody minded enough to comeback and make a late career success out of it
     
  7. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Who do you see as the greatest threat to him of the MWs at the time?
     
  8. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    The premises here are that he reaches his peak/prime in 1987 and stays at MW at least until 1993. Basically that he peaks about 10 years before he did in reality.
     
  9. lufcrazy

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    Struggles with nunn I think but aside from that I see no reason for him not to have great success. Hopkins at middleweight is one of the finest fighters our planet has seen.
     
  10. itrymariti

    itrymariti Cañas! Full Member

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    I'm not trying to be funny, but do you know what a journeyman is? It's the General forum dichotomy - there's Pac and Floyd, top of the P4P tree, and everyone else is a bum. Not something I'd have expected from you.
     
  11. itrymariti

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    I can see him losing to Kalambay and Hearns on a stylistic basis. I'd favour him narrowly over the rest.

    It's worth pointing out that any one of those fighters would be in the same (or a worse) position if pitted against the rest.
     
  12. Bokaj

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    Hearns, McCallum and Kalambay then? Toney? They're all better than anyone Hopkins beat at MW, I'd say, and would make for intriguing match-ups. Could he press the fight enough against Hearns for example?

    Think Hopkins would look real good against guys like Jackson, Benn and McLellan. Not so much against Eubank, even though he'd win. Hopkins-Watson could be a really interesting and entertaining one. Hopkin's too good for Watson, though.
     
  13. PowerPuncher

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    I think the Q is do you know what a journeyman is? A journeyman is someone who goes town to town and fights as opponent, ie Glen Johnson
     
  14. Seamus

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    WEAK!?

    He stands NO chance against Maske!
     
  15. atberry

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    He'd struggle like crazy with Nunn and Graham, but then who wouldn't :) there was also Eubank making noise around '89 saying he'd beat anyone out there bar Nunn. And Watson a tightly tucked fighter who countered in combinations. And a powerful Benn coming through, too. And I suppose Reggie Johnson and Toney. I think Reggie Johnson's overhand lefts would be effective against Hopkins' height and uprightness.

    He'd probably lose to the southpaws and Kalambay and take a while to find range and timing with Eubank. But was too accurate for Benn and Toney, who worked from ring centre - Toney didn't fight many tall guys apart from Nunn (who was schooling him from ring centre) and the shoulder roll defense can be much less effective against a guy punching downwards as Hopkins would be.

    I think one guy Hopkins would fear would be Iran Barkley, the guy who had more street cred than Hopkins himself (or Toney for that matter).

    I actually think he'd get in on Hearns and take him. I think leading off with long left hooks followed by rights would be key against Eubank for him.