Hopkins Robbed.........Calzaghe Overated

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by SuzieQ49, Apr 19, 2008.


  1. Lobotomy

    Lobotomy Guest

    Torres himself hardly seemed to believe he deserved to win. Eddie's tombstone reads, "Uncrowned Light Heavyweight Champion," a perfectly acceptable epitath.
     
  2. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    I didn't say that Lacey was Pavlik. I said that Lacey fulfilled some of the criteria you've identified as Joe's cryptonite. He does.


    1 - Please stop calling class fighters (Calzaghe and Louis tonight) "little girls", it's disturbing as ****.

    2 - You need to build a bridge with this. Calzaghe turned Lacey's face into refried oatmeal with those slaps. Kessler described him as almost impossible to box such was the variety of the stinging punches being winged at him. Calzaghe is no Julian Jackson, but he is a stinging puncher who works on accumilation. In the ten rounds I see he could land 700 punches. PUNCHES.

    You're a wee bit out of touch, I suggest. General was split about 60.40 in favour of the champion. I picked Pavlik on points both times.

    You are making stuff up now.
     
  3. Sweet Pea

    Sweet Pea Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    :lol: I'll pose the same question: which one of mine have you seen?

    You scored DLH/Pea to DLh by 3 or 4 points from what I understand. I was also pointing to your extreme bias in posts, which goes beyond scorecards.
     
  4. Russell

    Russell Loyal Member Full Member

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    :lol::lol::lol:
     
  5. Sweet Pea

    Sweet Pea Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    Yeah, because Wilde was such an impressive fighter on film and so much more skilled technically.

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  6. Russell

    Russell Loyal Member Full Member

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    However Wilde dealt, we're still talking about a fighter considered the P4P greatest at his weight who went 100 fights, or near it, without a loss.
     
  7. Sweet Pea

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    OK. However Calzaghe dealt, we're dealing with a fighter who's gone 45 fights(facing better comp than Wilde if I may be so bold as to say so) without a loss, considered the best at his weight. And he sure seems to "deal" a lot better than Wilde in footage.

    Lobotomy's bias is laughable.
     
  8. redrooster

    redrooster Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    This would have been a great win to put on his resume but you can't win them all. he's 43 years old with nothing left to prove.
     
  9. SuzieQ49

    SuzieQ49 The Manager Full Member

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    All three judges scored the DLH/pea fight for Oscar by at least 4 points.....

    I scored Oscar/Pea 114-112 Oscar. Less than what the 3 judges had. Good fight, major step up in comp for oscar, he didnt get rattled. I didnt think whitaker did enough to win the fight.

    I had DLH/Quartey 114-113 with the 10-8 12th round for oscar winning him the fight. I had Oscar behind a point heading into the 12th.

    I scored Trinidad/DLH 115-113 Oscar.......Had Oscar Winning 7 out of the first 9 rounds, losing the last 3. I have scored this fight many times, my card would either wind up 116-112 DLH or 115-113 DLH.....Oscar would win 7 or 8 of the first 9 rounds.


    I scored Mosely-Oscar I 116-113 Moseley, Oscar clearly got beat by the speedy moseley in an exciting close fight.

    I scored Mosely-Oscar II 115-113 Oscar, I thought Oscar clearly won at least 7 rounds though. He landed over 100 more punches than Moseley I believe.

    Scored Sturm-Oscar 115-113 Sturm. Oscar was fat and out of shape



    What other cards would you like?

    Yawn.........I could say the same about you when it comes too Pernell Whitaker
     
  10. Sweet Pea

    Sweet Pea Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    I can only assume the judges were paid off, given how all of them scored the second half of the fight almost exactly the same. Pretty much everyone who saw or commentated(Merchant, Lampley, etc) said the same.

    Other than out-throwing, out-landing, landing at a higher percentage, and dropping him.

    Again, I was referring to your bias for and against certain fighters. You thinking a limited fighter like Pavlik would beat Calzaghe proves this, your ridiculously high opinion of Sonny Liston(even if he is underrated), etc.

    I rarely even post about Whitaker unless he's brought up in a negative way that calls for an immediate response. He's my favorite fighter, but many people seem to have similar(and even higher) opinions of him than myself.
     
  11. SuzieQ49

    SuzieQ49 The Manager Full Member

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    Kelly Pavlik a limited fighter? since when??? he has all the tools and the resume to be the next great middleweight champion to reign for a long time.

    Calzaghe IMO is a limited fighter, and I think he can be exposed by a fighter like Pavlik. Clearly Joe Calzaghe is being overated if you think hes untouchable by a young 6'3 undefeated middleweight champion.
     
  12. Sweet Pea

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    Calzaghe has far more to his game than a slow, come-forward puncher like Pavlik. Calzaghe's past his prime at this stage, but I'd still bet the house on him over Pavlik.
     
  13. SuzieQ49

    SuzieQ49 The Manager Full Member

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    Kind of Like Carlos Monzon?


    I am calling it now, mark it down. Pavlik over Calzaghe if they ever fight.
     
  14. Sweet Pea

    Sweet Pea Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    Monzon never got dropped, hurt and outboxed for the majority of fights by fighters like Taylor. He also had a lot more to his game. His skills were very subtle, with Pavlik, it's a case of "what you see is what you get".

    Absolutely, if they ever fight.
     
  15. brooklyn1550

    brooklyn1550 Roberto Duran Full Member

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    I'd like to hear an analysis as to why/how Kelly Pavlik would beat Joe Calzaghe.