Hopkins shut out Trinidad,Wright did not

No. The point is that when watching the fights, even though Tito was schooled in both of them, you could, if you were a delusional tito fan, maintain that he was always in it with a "punchers chance" against Hopkins. Tito himself believed that as evidenced by round 10 where he at least TRIED to hurt Hopkins. Against Wright, he looked shocked and helpless in his corner by round 4 and the fight had that feeling of an absolute mismatch where one guy would have done just as good to just stay home.

 

Winning 2 rounds in a 12 round fight is absolutely a ****ing schooling. Wright ****ing owned Trinidad, Tito couldnt do **** the whole fight. It was ridiculous how much Wright outclassed him

 

Winky owned tito like a novice, really showed how one dimensional tito was.

 

i thought winky won every round
he was technically dominant offensively and defensively

i probably gave tito a couple rounds in the hopkins fight, i haven't watched it since i saw it on tv when it happened... but hopkins imposed his will and executed tito slowly and gradually...

i'm not sure what the point of this thread is, but both performances were great, hopkins i would rate as better because tito was undefeated and was the big favorite going in and hopkins not only defeated him but exposed him and made them throw in the towel... when winky fought tito, tito was already coming off his first long layoff and had only that beating of mayorga under his belt

 

Tito doesn't have power above 154 and that is evident. The only people he ever beat were glass Joppy and Mayorga.

 

Its likely that both guys shut out Trinidad but if 1 did & 1 didnt then Id say Wright did & Hopkins didnt.

I still think Hopkins win was better as Tito was closer to his peak & B-Hop got the KO but I thought Wright won every rd without doubt while taking less than Hopkins in return. At least Tito tried like a warrior until the end vs B-Hop but he just let himself get outboxed vs Winky without even trying to make a real fight of it, I was suprised when I watched this fight, disappointing to say the least.

 

No, I disagree.

You put a prime Tito in there & you get the close fight everyone expected before this one took place.

Im no huge fan of either but prime Trinidad would not stand for 12 rds being treated like a child without going all out war.
Its very clear from the actual fight that he was not the same warrior that climbed from 147 all the way to 160 unbeaten.... VERY CLEAR.

 

Hopkins respected Tito's power to some extent. Winky just laughed at it. In an interview when Winky was talking about the fight, he said that when Tito threw a few haymakers early on, he thought Tito was just holding back. He wasn't.

 

Fu*k no. Winky at 154 was dominant. He wasn't the same guy who stands flat footed with the high guard. He had the foot speed to move in and out of spots which made him impossible to beat given his defense and jab. Tito would've been outclassed, just not as clearly.

 

Winky shutout Trinidad.

I think Hopkins win was much better though, because he was the clear underdog and Trinidad was in his prime and still hungry at the time. Trinidad didn't seem to have the same fire in the Wright fight. I agree with whoever says a prime Trinidad is much more competitive against Winky.

 

You got it backwards, Wright shutout Tito and Hopkins didnt.


PS...Tito at 154lbs would had done some serious damage to Winky and aslo take into account that before the Hopkins fight MOST people didnt know how to beat Tito. Well Oscar did but he didnt finished the job so it doesnt count, he basically set the blueprint for it. :smoke

 

both fights were wins using tactics that vamped on tito's left hook,love of his power and aggresiveness.
also due to him becoming more open and looking for the bigger powerpunches thru the fight when he was losing and behind on the cards.

nard used fients and traps to get tito to do what he wanted then countered and used his imposing strength to dominate the fight. the left uppercut with the high right guard so that tito would got for the bait for such a open technique but catch only a glove to which hopkins released a right cross to which tito had no response to. this combination was being done a few times by hopkins and tito took the bait 70% of the time.

winky's was far more simple. he stayed as southpaw as possible, didnt get funky with the right hook like in other fights. just blocked hard and blocked high using footwork and amazing jabs that went ritgh down the trinidad defence. when tito started to really be in danger of losing the fight he started to get more aggresive and thus be more open to geting smacked with a 1-1-2 combination.


i think winky's was an example of pure boxing basics. hit but dont get hit and not giving him an inch of space to punch or stand his ground, also moving to keep tito's feet unset.
while hopkins was a showing of advanced techniques. I.E. fients, counter combinations and settign up openings.

i think winky's was more impressive in how simple and elegent it was.

hopkins was a bit more of a use of cagey physical tools along wiht a keen thinking brain to get the win.