Hopkins the legend...

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by ocelot, Jan 29, 2008.


  1. untmike

    untmike ABN Full Member

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    How many has calzaghe beat?
     
  2. ocelot

    ocelot Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    It's interesting that some people have seen this as an attempt to discredit Hopkins, which it is not. I think Richie Leon had the best, most persuasive response. I agree with him, for the most part.
     
  3. albeziel

    albeziel Multi Viral C13 Full Member

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    a freaking legend if you ask me, at 43 still top P4P that alone is almost impossible to most boxers.
     
  4. kirk

    kirk l l l Staff Member

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    i wonder if hes the oldest person to ever be on the official (lets use the ring) p4p list...
     
  5. ron u.k.

    ron u.k. Boxing Addict banned

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    hopkins is the same as calzaghe in a way.what great middleweights in his reign could he have fought?there were none.he could only beat what was there.
     
  6. Marnoff

    Marnoff Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Yep, I'm done debating whether Hopkins has a good resume. Arguing otherwise is a joke.
     
  7. ocelot

    ocelot Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    More great champions than not had mediocre competition. Look at Larry Holmes. The eras of Sugar Ray Leonard and Ali are very few and far between. Extraordinary talent and historical good fortune don't intersect very often.
     
  8. scott is cool

    scott is cool Well-Known Member Full Member

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    What I don't understand is on paper he and Calzaghe have taken the same pathway, of never fighting true contenders. Although you can't say if they have ducked fighters or have been ducked themselves.
    But why does Hopkins accuse Calzaghe of this when they seem to have a very similar resume, just Calzaghe's is a lot better, because he is undefeated.
    Hopkins the hypocrite? :think
     
  9. scott is cool

    scott is cool Well-Known Member Full Member

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    But we are talking about Hopkins here, I bet you have said exactly the same thing at least 20 times, talking about how Calzaghe has never fought anybody good, when Hopkins hasn't neither. But Calzaghe is still undefeated, unlike Little Bernard. :yep
     
  10. ron u.k.

    ron u.k. Boxing Addict banned

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    not fighting true contenders like who?
     
  11. albeziel

    albeziel Multi Viral C13 Full Member

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    "never fighting true contenders?" like Jermain Taylor, Winky Wright, Oscar de la Hoya, Roy Jones JR., Tito Trinidad, Antonio Tarver.

    Or you mean never fighting true Contenders like Bika or Manfredo Jr. like JC?
     
  12. scott is cool

    scott is cool Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Taylor is massively over-rated, so was Wright, and so was Tarver, the others were past there best, and De la Hoya took a dive.
    And if you read my thread I say JC is in the same ship as Hopkins. But I love the way you talk about the best fighters Hopkins has fought, while leaving out Kessler, Eubank and Lacy when talking about Calzaghe, just to strenghen your point falsely. I could have spoke about Hopkins fighting Morrade Hakkar and fighting Robert Allen a pathetic 3 times.
    So stop hiding the real facts to strengthen your point, it just proves that you know your talking ****.
     
  13. Thread Stealer

    Thread Stealer Loyal Member Full Member

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    Hopkins fought his share of "true contenders".

    It just so happens that a lot of them were not very good.

    But they were regarded as middleweight contenders at the time.
     
  14. PH|LLA

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    He is also the only fighter that a prime Roy Jones was unable to outclass.
     
  15. scott is cool

    scott is cool Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Sorry Jones wasn't past it, but Hopkins lost to him, anyway. That was the only true contender he has fought.