Hopkins v Trinidad: an underrated triumph??

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by DINAMITA, Aug 11, 2008.


  1. thewoo

    thewoo Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Well I don't think that you can call a win underated based on the opinions of a few ingorant people. The majority of people give hopkins his just due for this win so I would not call it "criminally" underated though you could definatly say that some people to underrate it, but the same could be said about almost any win.
     
  2. DINAMITA

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    Agreeing with me?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?

    :shock: :shock: :shock:
     
  3. BigReg

    BigReg Broad Street Bully Full Member

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    Keep making good points and I'll keep agreeing.:yep
     
  4. DINAMITA

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    Honestly amigo, I do think it's pretty much underrated across the board. Many many people think the same as that character that posted that comment, it often gets said on here. I genuinely think it was up there with Jones Jr v Toney as the best win of the past 15 years. It is not generally rated as such IMO.
     
  5. DINAMITA

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    Hmmm, I seem to have underrated you almost as much as the vast majority of the worldwide boxing community overrate Floyd Mayweather...... :lol:
     
  6. Gandul

    Gandul Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I'll remember that night forever in my life... People in PR were depress when this happened... Anyway, I believe this is B-Hop's one of the best fights he has ever done in his life and one of the biggest wins in his careers... Right after that fight it's when he became a real force in the eyes of many fans in the Middle Weight Division. At least in my eyes, his win can't be underrated.
     
  7. DINAMITA

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    I think it was DEFINITELY the best and the biggest, so I think you yourself are underrating it!!
     
  8. nickfoxx

    nickfoxx On The Nod Full Member

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    i think it's possible that the issue is a lot of these idiots who say hopkins just beat up a blown up welterweight weren't actually following boxing when the fight happened (i know it was relatively recent but from some of the comments i read on this forum, i'm guessing there's a lot of 12 year olds on here)

    before the fight happened, the general consensus was that b-hop was past it and that tito was gonna roll him and then reign as undisputed champ for a long long time... the outcome was a shock to a lot of people
     
  9. DINAMITA

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    It most certainly would be completely different from DLH beating Pac.

    Pac won his 1st world title at 112lbs, and the fight v DLH would be at 147- if DLH can get down to that from 150-154. That's at the very least 35lbs Pac has went up in his world championship career.

    Trinidad's world championship career began at 147lbs and the fight with Hopkins was at 160lbs. That's 13lbs.

    35. 13. Quite a difference I think.
     
  10. nickfoxx

    nickfoxx On The Nod Full Member

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    i agree with u, equating hopkins v tito to oscar v pac is farcical

    the 12 lb difference between lightweight and welterweight is generally considered a much bigger jump than the 13 lb difference between welterweight and middleweight, because it is a much larger % of total body weight... add to the fact that pac isn't even a natural 135 lber and you have a complete physical mismatch... believe u me hopkins vs tito was not a complete physical mismatch
     
  11. DINAMITA

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    Exactly what I proved in the start of this thread:

    - Felix Trinidad is 5'11" tall (Hopkins 6'1")
    - Felix Trinidad has a 72 1/2" reach (Hopkins 75")

    - Felix Trinidad weighed in at 158 1/2lbs (1 1/2lb heavier than Hopkins)

    2 inches in height, and 2 1/2 inches in reach is a perfectly standard, normal disparity at any weight division. This is only a slight difference, many guys fight others in their natural weight division with far greater size disadvantages (Cotto v Margarito, anyone at 147 v Paul Williams, Pavlik v Lockett - and that's just very recent examples, plenty more in boxing history).

    And Trinidad was fighting at his third weight at world championship level. Not really a huge rise in weight overall. Mayweather, Pacquiao, De La Hoya, Jones Jr all jumped more weight divisions at world title level (again that's just recent examples, plenty more in boxing history).
     
  12. thewoo

    thewoo Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I already posted this but I'll say it again since people seem to be stuck on the starting weights of the fighters.

    Trinidad went pro at age 17, his body was still developing. Hopkins went pro at age 23 already a full grown man. Also Trinidad had something like 300 amatuer fights. He was used to making weight and already knew all the tricks to cut himself down as light as possible. Hopkins on the other hand had virtually no amatuer experience and so did not know all the tricks. After his pro debut he was able to cut down to 160 and fight there for over a decade. Trinidad's body continued to grow and mature and once he reached 160 him and hopkins were of comparable size
     
  13. klion22

    klion22 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    :deal
     
  14. Lampley

    Lampley Boxing Junkie banned

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    Although I tend to believe Trinidad is somewhat overrated, he certainly was a great fighter and justifiably the favorite heading into this bout.

    For my money, Hopkins gave the performance of the decade that night. Trinidad fought his fight and was mentally there, but he simply got outclassed.

    What are the other contenders? Calzaghe/Lacy? Margarito/Cotto? Pacquiao/MAB I? Mayweather/Corrales? MAB/Hamed?
     
  15. DINAMITA

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    Exactly. This means nothing. A guy's world championship career matters, not what weights he fought at when he was a skinny teenager.

    Pac won a world title at 112lbs, and the fight with Oscar would be at 147.
    Tito won a world title at 147lbs, and the fight with Hop was at 160.

    Incomparable.