Hopkins versus the Ghost of Roy Jones Jnr

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  1. dan-b

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    Really? Guys with workrate and speed trouble Hopkins. Chad's workrate is hardly prodigious and I see Hopkins neutralising Chad's speed quite easily.
     
  2. Primadonna Kool

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    How will he neutralise someone

    Who Can Box, has good movement, and is more athletic...?

    Has faster Hand Speed....?

    Throws Better Combinations....?

    And has a greater Workrate....?

    Bernard Hopkins does **** all against Chad Dawson..!
     
  3. jdawg

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    Hopkins is never in a world of trouble!! Wouldnt say the high work-rate bothers him btw, Calzaghe did his usual 900 shots thrown in his fight i dont think he troubled Bernard bar low blows! jean pascal, come forward fighter plenty of heart good chin and power against the wily old pro id love that. Hear Dawson/Pascals on the cards that could affect it obv
     
  4. jdawg

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    Again Calzaghe had all those things and look how tight a call that was. Hopkins drags people into the trenches like no other fighter period, if im managing Dawson im tellin him to stay the hell away from Bernard Hopkins
     
  5. TFFP

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    Dawson's work-rate is not any less than Jermain Taylor's, they have the same flaw in that they ease off towards the end of the fight after starting very well. But then Hopkins does not have the work-rate of Glen Johnson to really push Dawson in that regard either.

    Dawson is not going to plod around like Pavlik giving Hopkins opportunity to circle the ring and lay his traps. He's not even going to be as aggressive as Calzaghe who gave Hopkins his openings. Dawson is always up on his feet, he's an extremely good mover. He's going to use his height, length, handspeed and southpaw jab to bring Hopkins to him which is something Hopkins isn't accustomed to. He brings a lot of the things Hopkins struggled with in that encounter with Taylor, and this is some years on since even the Calzaghe fight so who knows how Hopkins looks against a top opponent that is athletic? There are questions to be answered there, there have to be at this stage.

    No way would I rule out Hopkins by any means but I would like Dawson to edge that fight...
     
  6. dan-b

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    Chad being "more athletic" is highly debatable. I wouldn't say he throws better combinations either, he does throw more combinations though.

    To say he does "**** all" tells me you're trolling, but you forget I know you too well. I'm actually a fan of MR KOOL, I'm not playing this game with you.;)
     
  7. dan-b

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    Hopkins always makes people fight his fight though. It's a big call to say Dawson will make him do otherwise. The Taylor fights I'm convinced he was struggling with the weight a bit and was paranoid about gassing, why else would he give the first half of the fight away both times?

    I liked the way Dawson looked against Johnson last time out, it was his most complete performance. But Johnson just came forward looking for him all night and Chad made the necessary adjustments from the first fight that almost went badly wrong.

    It's certainly an intriguing one though. Let's hope it gets made.
     
  8. Primadonna Kool

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    I'm not playing a game..

    I just think some people are underrating Chad Dawson..

    Whos that polish fighter, everyone is wanking over..? Adamek..?

    Chad Dawson, showed how good he was in that fight.

    Chad Dawson is bad news for Bernard Hopkins.

    Fast, Athletic, Can Box, and is big...

    Bad News...
     
  9. Primadonna Kool

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    I would hardly call it the trenches man..

    Bernard Hopkins was holding, and grappling allot.

    Evander Holyfield, was a fighter that used to drag people into the trenches.

    Bernard Hopkins makes it technically difficult for some fighters..."Because he fustrates them"

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  10. dan-b

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    I think I'm rating him just right. A very good operator with solid fundamentals but questionable stamina and tactical acumen.
     
  11. Primadonna Kool

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    Hopkins stamina is..? he is hardly a work horse.

    If Bernard Hopkins the fighter we see today, was a young up and coming fighter.

    He would'nt be setting the world alight..!!!!!

    Chad Dawson, is a more complete fighter...than Jermaine Taylor.

    And Jermaine Taylor beat Bernard Hopkins twice, with all the same moves and workrate/fast hands/activity....

    That Chad Dawson can duplicate, and even do even better..!!!
     
  12. jdawg

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    Trinidad, de la hoya, joppy, tarver, pavlik those guys were NEVER the same after fighting hopkins. He takes a part of your heart when u fight Bernard Hopkins, thats trenches baby! He sucks people into his game, nicks rounds with his tactical nouse and cleaner shots and gets people chasing fights against a world class counter-puncher. Dawsons very slick, clever operator but he shows nothing that hopkins hasnt seen or defused before
     
  13. dan-b

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    Hopkins almost knocked Taylor out late in those fights. Dawson was almost knocked out by Johnson the first time also. Hopkins' seems to have pretty good pop at 175.

    That said, you guys are doing a good jon of convincing me Dawson has a chance but I think that might be because I haven't seen him fight in a while. After the second Johnson fight, I had it all worked out in my head how Hopkins would win that fight.

    Maybe I'll dig out my Dawson DVD again...
     
  14. TFFP

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    I feel like Hopkins has been fighting to the same script in the latter stage of his career give or take a few subtlties so that is my first point of analysis for how the fight plays out. I could be here all day pondering what Hopkins might do to turn things a different way, he's skilled enough and experienced enough to do that for sure and make me look idiotic in the process which is why its always difficult to predict his fights but my gut feeling is that it might not be so easy to change things against this opponent.


    Dawson is truely a fighter with attributes that can make the difference in that regard. It's a different problem entirely posed by Dawson, his physical frame and athletic gifts are such that its not going to be easy to follow a similar gameplan to the one he did against Calzaghe and Pavlik. If Dawson moves just as well as Hopkins, and I think thats a distinct possibility, Hopkins will be forced to come out and play in the open ring because of Dawson's jab and athleticism.
     
  15. dan-b

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    Yeah man, let's have this fight. It's a shame Dawson doesn't have the backing to make it a big fight. I think that's why Hopkins is attracted to a Haye fight as it's a money and legacy fight, not many of those around.

    A Dawson fight is more winnable though.