Hopkins vs Calzaghe (Observations on second viewing)

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  1. SkillspayBills

    SkillspayBills Mandanda Running E-Pen Full Member

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    For the past week i've been watching Calzaghe's documentaries and last night went to rewatch the Jones bout but decided i'd put myself through the Hopkins fight again.

    I went through video's of build up and watched entrances then got stuck into the fight. I remember it being a messy affair and that's what we got but when i watched it, it gave me a renewed respect for Joe as a fighter.

    We often miss them when there gone but also crap on them and forget there ability. At this time people mentioned Hopkins age and mind games. It was a tough fight to call, and even when it was all said and done it was but years on Hopkins wins have gone on to strengthen the win for Calzaghe.

    I remember having Calzaghe as the winner on the night, I thought maybe i was maybe being patriotic and needed another watch of it. Took me years to get around to it but rewatching it i had Joe winning again.

    The reason i made this thread is talk about Calzaghe and his ability to adapt. The Kessler bout he turned the tide around round 7 and when being dropped by Hopkins he made instant adjustments.

    Just brief observations (Feel free to add your own).

    -Hopkins tactics were to nullify Calzaghe's workrate
    -Stop his rhythm as Calzaghe was a rhythm fighter
    -Draw Calzaghe to lead and reach which was a flaw in Joe's game his over zealousness when attacking.

    -Calzaghe fell into the early trap of following Hopkins around and looking to impose his confidence and speedy attacks. He got dropped for his troubles with a lovely short right hand in which Hopkins would follow through with to avoid a counter and help Joe down. (Smart)

    The intriging thing was after this Joe would in rounds 2 and 3 start to adjust in the ring by doing the following..

    -Tightening the guard as he closed range to avoid the pin point right hands from Hopkins.

    -Cut the ring off in marvelous fashion and by doing this controlled Hopkins feet which troubled Hopkins who would through the middle rounds as Manny Steward rightly said would only throw the right hand counter/lead and follow in behind it.

    -Joe also moved his feet closer to punch in which limited the chance for him to fall out of position to be countered. He learned on the job from his KD. He could also gain more success by getting closer with his workrate and chopping punches.

    -He used punches to the body well espicially the straight left which helped him get close and nullify Hopkins counters.

    -And used his speed punches knowing that pinning Hopkins down to land big shots was becoming hard he knew workrate would help him win the battle.

    -In the pocket he was also smart, If he knew he couldn't work he'd stop Hopkins working by getting low and close not allowing Hopkins to do to much ''clean'' work.

    Manny Steward said it wasn't the smartest of fights by both guys and i tend to agree as openings for cleaner work was there but Calzaghe ground it out well enough through his ability to adapt.

    Whether you thought Hopkins won or lost on your cards, Was you shocked that he really didn't adjust in the fight when Calzaghe made the moves he did?.

    How you score it as well?.
     
  2. SkillspayBills

    SkillspayBills Mandanda Running E-Pen Full Member

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    :lol: Was supposed to be brief. Apologies..
     
  3. Primadonna Kool

    Primadonna Kool Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Funny thing was after Calzaghe was Knocked-down by Hopkins he still got up and won the round.

    Joe Calzaghe beats any version of Bernard Hopkins any!
     
  4. SkillspayBills

    SkillspayBills Mandanda Running E-Pen Full Member

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    :rofl inbetween one of the rounds. Enzo going made ''This guys there for taking, you can knock him out, knock him out'' and Dean Powell goes ''Yeah, now lets tell him how to do it...''.
     
  5. SkillspayBills

    SkillspayBills Mandanda Running E-Pen Full Member

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    I tend to agree PK.

    Joe Calzaghe landed the most punches on Hopkins ever that night. Not sure about Dawson II.

    But Joe worked him out well and Hopkins at that point people wrote off and felt he was done. He then dismantles Pavlik and goes on to win another world title and have more success.

    Joe couldn't land a jab for first three rounds yet had success. The left hand got more and more into the fight. More impressed rewatching it then i thought i'd be..
     
  6. GPater11093

    GPater11093 Barry Full Member

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    Been ages since I watched it, but I actually like this fight, nice intresting tactical affair IMO, especially on the part of Hopkins.

    I had Hopkins edging it. But at the time I thought JC nicked it.

    The one thing I remember was B-Hops right hand was subime in this,, I remember doing a post or a thread about this fight where i went in detail
     
  7. SkillspayBills

    SkillspayBills Mandanda Running E-Pen Full Member

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    Defo Greg was crafty that right hand, pin point. He also worked well moving his hips to avoid shots as well. He done a lot of good things in the fight..
     
  8. achillesthegreat

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    It wasn't pretty but no one has made Hopkins tire like that and be so uncomfortable.
     
  9. Primadonna Kool

    Primadonna Kool Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Also Joe Calzaghe underrated Bernard Hopkins, look at his condition for the Roy Jones fight during the weigh in. He seemed more motivated and amped up for the Roy Jones fight, deep down i think everybody knew! Bernard Hopkins was not really going to beat Joe Calzaghe. Bernard Hopkins does not beat athletic guys who have way above average ring IQ, its his weakness! his kryptonite! He cannot cope with fighters who have the athletic edge over him, and also have above average ring iq!

    The question was..? How bad can Bernard Hopkins make Joe Calzaghe look.

    Joe Calzaghe always admired and feared Roy Jones more. Roy Jones in my opinion fought a more honest fight against Joe Calzaghe, he actually fought Calzaghe more! Hopkins was just spoiling and conning his way through the majority if the Calzaghe fight.

    And this showed come fight night.

    Note: During the build up to the Hopkins fight, Joe Calzaghe looked half hearted and not amped up at all.
     
  10. GPater11093

    GPater11093 Barry Full Member

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    Im going to watch this and get back to you Mandy, annoying me I cant find the post I did on it
     
  11. macho_grande

    macho_grande "I'll never get over" Full Member

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    I've only seen it once & that was live...

    My overriding memory was Calzaghe only landing one clean shot. A right cross. I remember them showing that punch over and over again. The highlights consisted of that right cross & only that right cross.

    Perhaps my memory has been skewed
     
  12. Primadonna Kool

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    Joe Calzaghe was impervious to Bernard Hopkins mental intimidation aswell.

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ebCMqIsH5ns[/ame]
     
  13. PaulieMc

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    Felt Calzaghe won then and still feel he won now. Hopkins in my opinion threw the fight away and he knows it. He put Calzaghe down, hurt him several times and for long periods completely bamboozled Joe.

    Calzaghe came into it a bit as the fight went on and for me he managed to nick a lot of the rounds on work-rate alone. I know he was missing a lot and only landing slaps but for the majority of the rounds Bernard would do NOTHING. I don't believe in awarding a guy a round when he doesn't do anything except spoil. As a judge and a fan I want to see action.

    Hopkins is so pissed off about the result because I believe he knows deep down he gifted Calzaghe the win. He beat Joe in so many departments but his laziness cost him big time. That's why he's always campaigned for a rematch.

    You're right though, overall it was a really crap fight to watch.
     
  14. porkypara

    porkypara Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Calzaghe by a few rounds.

    Thought Hopkins was lucky not to have points taken for a number of reasons.
     
  15. dftaylor

    dftaylor Writer, fanatic Full Member

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    People mistake the quality shots from Hopkins and the spoiling as controlling the fight. He could and should have had points taken off. But, nonetheless, Joe was outlanding him and controlling the distance of the fight.

    I agree with PK's post - Joe looked like he thought Bernard was just old and he could just take him with pressure. But thankfully he had enough ring smarts to grind out the win.

    Hopkins clearly expected Joe to become overly tentative after he was countered and, while he was a lot less aggressive than usual (often waiting too long, which Hopkins seems to bring out in everyone he fights), he still was positive enough to clear most of the rounds.

    And if BHop hadn't faked that low blow, I think Joe could have stopped him.