Hopkins vs Haye: Hopkins will get the beating of his life.

Man, this is like saying Hopkins is going to pull a Roy Jones in the Ruiz fight vs Haye. And Haye is a better fighter than Ruiz, and Bernard isn't at his peak, he's one step from retirement. I understand what you're saying about people underestimating Hopkins all the time, but lets be real about it: He is 45 years old, he looked awful vs a corpse (Jones) and Haye is a very skilled heavyweight.

 

How would you see Bernard doing against Wlad ?

 

Haye has power, but most of his damage is done with that right hand. We've seen Hopkins deal with fighters who have great power in one hand. He has speed, but he's no faster than Roy Jones is right now. How does Haye use his size to his advantage? Does he tie guys up and lean on them like Wlad?

Look at his fight against Calzaghe. Everyone swore is stamina was **** after that fight. His stamina looked perfectly fine against Pavlik. I don't think stamina was an issue against Jones. We know stamina has been an issue for Haye. It's shown in several of his fights. Haye does not throw a ton of punches. He's not going to try to up the tempo like Calzaghe was able to do.

Haye's not going to become a different fighter overnight. I'm going by what I've seen him do througout his career. Fragomeni was much smaller than Haye and he fought no differently than he did against most guys.

Schaefer is a business man. He did not cut his teeth in the boxing industry. Let's also not forget that he promotes Haye as well. And it was Haye's people that nixed the idea of a fight with Hopkins, not Hopkins' people.

 

Haye is very athletic, fast, and hits hard, he is not all that skilled. He has a bunch of holes in his game.

 

Wlad wins that fight with relative ease. Nard doesn't match up well with Wlad. Wlad has too much size, and strength and he know how to use it. Wlad is actually a well schooled fighter.

 

i promised myself i would never bet against hopkins again

 

I'm sorry, but you guys don't pay attention enough. If Dawson was an easier fight than Haye, then that's the fight Hopkins would be going after. Dawson is a technition. He is a highly skilled boxer who has great footwork and throws excellent combinations. Dawson is much more skilled and talented than Haye. Hopkins knows damn well that he would have little shot against Dawson. Haye is exactly the type of fighter that Hopkins likes to target. Haye is flawed and Hopkins matches up very well with him. Despite this, everyone would just assume that Hopkins would get obliterated by Haye. It's a win win situation for Hopkins. It's lose lose for Haye.

 

Jones won an easy UD with ONE hand, Taylor has looked like **** against everyone he doesn't enjoy a good size advantage over, except for Hopkins ofcourse, And against Slappy he needed a breather to finish the fight. If Shot Roy didn't get KTFO agianst Green he would have not been gunshy and likely would've let his hands go and may've won, Hopkins really is done.

 

Easy my ass. And it sure as hell looked like he was using two hands to me. Hopkins was countering Jones with that right hand all night. Jones was not having nearly the offensive success that he had with any other fighter in his prime. Hopkins won 4 rounds off of Jones. Griffin is probably the only other guy to win that many rounds off of a prime Jones and he was starting to get tagged in that fight. It's pointless talking about that fight anyway as that version of Roy is 10 times better than Haye.

 

Haye could easily hurt him with the left hand as well. He has a pretty good left hook. The thing is Haye can definitely hurt Hopkins and he will eventually catch him with flush shots. Can't really say the opposite (not refering to the flush shots, but the hurting).

The fight with Calzaghe was 2 years ago man! But the fight with Jones was yesterday, and I think this is a better example of Bernard's stamina. And it wasn't even vs a guy who pressured him.

Fair enough. But logic suggests that once he sees Bernard can't really hurt him, he'll jump all over him. It doesn't make sense to just let a 45 year old off the hook and just let him box.

Yeah, I wasn't sure about the last part. But why would Schaefer say such a thing? Maybe he saw that Bernard doesn't really have it anymore? And don't tell me he said that cause he 'fears' that Haye might actually lose to Hopkins.

 

Everybody has holes in his game.

But being able to place your punches well, throw combinations and time your opponent requires skill. You can't do that by athleticism alone. Haye is a skilled fighter.

 

dawson Does NOT offer the same payday OR Chance at history that a Haye fight brings, IMO he loses both But against Haye he has nothing to lose.

 

That version of Roy is 10X better with 2 hands BUT he only had 1 when he beat Hopkins, which shows just how poorly Hopkins matches with guys that are fast and powerful, BTW Jermaine Taylor is nothing special and Hopkins can't beat him so How exactly is he gonna take Haye down?

 

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