Hopkins vs Pavlik: Be Real AMSTERDAM!

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  1. BITCH ASS

    BITCH ASS "Too Fast" Full Member

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    Hopkins is a great fighter and has years of accumulated knowledge that make him one of the smartest fighters in the game. In a sense, he's mastered the art of boxing, but the man is 43 years old.

    He may very well be in his mental prime, but he is undoubtably out of his physical prime, and he showed signs of it in his fight with Calzaghe when he took time off using questionable tactics, and didn't up his workrate when it should have been obvious that he was behind on points.

    Hopkins also isn't much threat of a knockout artist because he lacks one punch power and his age has reduced his stamina to the point to where if he were to try to finish off an opponent, a risky endeavor in the first place, he may not have the gas left for him to finish the fight if he doesn't take his opponent out.

    Pavlik on the other hand is young, rangy, powerful, and has a huge workrate. Not to mention the fact that he's no slower than Hopkins, probably even faster at this point in their careers, and he's not a mindless brawler, he's an intelligent pressure fighter with the ability to box.

    Boxing isn't what's going to come into play in this fight for Pavlik though, it's going to be about FIGHTING, pure and simple. The boxing will be up to Bernard who will be fight off the backfoot the majority of the time in non-stop motion.

    While Hopkins is a master of angles and uses the ring better than anybody in the game, I don't think he has the gas in his tank to outlast a guy like Pavlik, who Hopkins will have a difficult enough time keeping on the outside for the above mentioned reasons, (eg, range, power, determination, punch volume, etc.), and he doesn't have the power to take Pavlik out in a single punch.

    As far as the weight is concerned, I don't think it will hurt Kelly who will likely come in at around 170 which I'm assuming is his walkaround weight anyway, and Hopkins is not a puncher and at 43 years old is prone to gassing. The extra weight isn't going to hurt Pavlik, but it won't help Hopkins either.

    So unless Hopkins pulls off something miraculous and knocks Kelly Pavlik out, likely by TKO, in a very risky move, Kelly is going to win this fight on points or by KO.

    Hopkins is too old and Pavlik is young and determined.

    I'm assuming that those of you who are picking Hopkins are picking him because you're in love with Calzaghe or maybe even Hopkins, but you need to view this situation objectively.

    The Hopkins that fought Taylor might have been a different story, but this Hopkins might get knocked out. All it takes is for Hopkins to gas, get pressed against the ropes, and for Kelly to throw one big right hand or huge punch to his body the will start the beggining of the end.

    BE SERIOUS.
     
  2. tays001

    tays001 ESB ELITE SQUAD Full Member

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    great post
     
  3. CJLightweight

    CJLightweight Lightweight Kingpin Full Member

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    haven't seen hopkins get KOed though:yep
     
  4. BITCH ASS

    BITCH ASS "Too Fast" Full Member

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    If you fight long enough, everybody gets KOed.
     
  5. Ghostface923

    Ghostface923 Active Member Full Member

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    It would be an intresting fight. I'd like to see if pavlik can do better against B-hop than calzaghe did. I dont see any problem with this fight. Hopkins is smart enough to get a win and it would be a good test to see how good pavlik really is.
     
  6. Addie

    Addie Myung Woo Yuh! Full Member

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    Hopkins isn't getting knocked out by Kelly Pavlik. If you want to make a bet for as much money as you got, let's do it. He isn't getting stopped.
     
  7. BITCH ASS

    BITCH ASS "Too Fast" Full Member

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    Stopped, hurt, etc........

    Does it ****in matter?

    He's not winning the fight either.
     
  8. CJLightweight

    CJLightweight Lightweight Kingpin Full Member

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    true and possible but i think hopkins won't quit unless he feels he's trully beaten..if he's not gonna face pavlik he's still going to challenge himself until he feels that he is done
     
  9. 2ironmt

    2ironmt Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Dude Hopkins fought Taylor what 2-3 years ago tops and he arguably looked even better vs. Tarver which was even more recently. He didn't LOOK his best in the Calz fight, but that is one fight against a totally different fighter. Hops is close to, if not, the same guy who fought Taylor.
     
  10. Addie

    Addie Myung Woo Yuh! Full Member

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    I disagree. Hopkins will win quite comfortably on all three judges scorecards. I think he is the superior boxer, and his defensive shell will make it hard for Kelly to get off with right hands.
     
  11. BITCH ASS

    BITCH ASS "Too Fast" Full Member

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    So the guy who ran out of gas and pulled a ***** move in the Calzaghe fight to recover is the same guy who fought Taylor?

    Get out of here.

    Hopkins is past it whether he wants to admit it to himself or not. He's still a threat to any fighter out there, and there is no guarentee that Pavlik will win this fight, but the only thing that's guarenteed in life is death.

    The chances of Hopkins winning this fight are slim. He doesn't have the gas to compete with hard punching pressure fighters like Pavlik who will do everything they can to hunt him down and knock him out.

    AND YOU KNOW, Hopkins isn't going to bring it to Pavlik, Hagler style.

    So Hopkins MUST box, and in my opinion he doesn't have the legs anymore to stay away from Pavlik enough to win this fight.

    He may not even have the legs to survive.
     
  12. Morrissey

    Morrissey Underrated Full Member

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    There is no way Pavlik knocks the old man out.

    I even think Hopkins can pull off a close, but clear decision.
     
  13. BITCH ASS

    BITCH ASS "Too Fast" Full Member

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    :patsch

    Man, just slap yourself.....I don't even need to go into detail, why but I'll waste my time.

    Next time, I should put a statement in my post that says, only POSTERS WITH THE ABILITY TO USE THEIR MINDS, POST.

    Anyway, in regards to Hopkins winning COMFORTABLY, how do you suggest he does this?

    Especially considering Hopkins didn't win comfortably against Taylor nor did he win comfortably against Calzaghe.

    You could argue that Hopkins didn't lose the fight, but if Hopkins somehow miraculously pulls this off it will be by split decision or KO.

    And honestly, given Kelly's workrate, championship pedigree, power to keep Hopkins honest, and overall youth and determination, I don't see anyway that Hopkins can win this fight by decision.

    So that leaves KO. Hopkins best chance to win the fight against Calzaghe was to finish him off in the first round. Hopkins likely didn't have the gas necessary to attempt to do something like that and survive the fight if he failed to take Calzaghe out.

    You think he can finish off Pavlik?

    So, let me guess, you think Hopkins is going to come on there bouncing on his toes like a young SRL and making Pavlik look like he's the 43 year old fighter?

    Be real. That was the TITLE.

    If you wanna post some stupid ass bull**** now though, go ahead.
     
  14. BITCH ASS

    BITCH ASS "Too Fast" Full Member

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    So I guess Hopkins is the only guy on the planet who's unknockoutable?

    Everyone can get knocked out. Will he, I don't know, but at 43 he ain't gettin any younger.
     
  15. Hermit

    Hermit Loyal Member banned

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    I was just saying this in another thread. And I think it was in response to one of your posts too. :lol: