Hopkins vs Pavlik: Be Real AMSTERDAM!

I think pavlik is better then joe.. Smarter, stronger, not as fast but has more snap on the jab. Pavlik has a very high work rate just like joe. To say hopking wont tire is ridicoulus!

 

Calzaghe is past his prime also. Kelly is just hitting his. Kelly>Calzaghe>Hopkins when it comes to stamina. Joe looks like he has more than he does because he doesn't have as much on his punches as Kelly does. Joe works at being quick and LIGHT with his hands. It is simple physics. Speed SHOULD equate to more power, but fighters like Calzaghe and Taylor are used to 'scoring' against opponents, not damaging them. What happens is to get more shots in they don't put force into the punch. The 'pull it' so they can get it back into position to strike again instead. See that little 'thing' Cal did on the countdown show where he claims to have thrown 1000 "punches" in one minute? I think that says it all in terms of what he thinks a punch is. So, Calzaghe looks like he is busier and has better stamina that he really does. If you think Cal wore Hopkins out, you ain't seen nothing yet!

 

Actually, Pavlik has the perfect style to beat the current Hopkins. He's strong, big, agressive, busy, and has a long, hard, educated jab. Thats all nightmarish for Hopkins.

Hows Hopkins gonna deal with Pav's jab? How's Hop gonna beat Kelly throwing one punch at a time? Hows Hop gonna rough him up given Pav's physical strength, and power? This fight is bad for old man Hop.

Also, anyone who scored Calzaghe-Hopkins in favor of Hopkins is either 1. A Hopkins groupie 2. A hardcore Calzaghe hater, or 3. Doesnt know what the **** thier talking about.

 

Calzaghe-Hopkins means nothing as regards Pavlik-Hopkins

Pavlik is nothing like Calzaghe, there is no basis for comparison at all. He's orthodox, slower, punches from more predictable angles. He punches harder, but its hardly going to matter when Hopkins is blocking them all, and landing clean counters on Pavlik when he's squared up.

 

Pavlik is much more methodical and predictable in his attack whereas Joe came from so many different angles. Also, there is the disparity in footspeed. Calzaghe could jump in and out of spots. That made Hopkins really weary and on his toes. Hopkins will be able to see where Pavlik is and time him. Of course i agree that stamina will be a huge issue in this fight but i think Hopkins will be able to conserve more energy due to the factors mentioned above against Pavlik.

 

I respect Hopkins for staying at the top of the game for this long but his only impressive recent fight was against a sluggish Tarver. Hopkins is still a good fighter but now fights at a very slow pace, holds a lot, and hopes to win a close decision. Pavlik fights at a consistently fast pace, gets better as the fight goes on and his power takes it's toll on his oponents. I think this is a bad matchup for Hopkins who slows down a lot late in fights and could get stopped by Pavlik.

 

At this point in his career, Pavlik has a more whithering attack than Calzaghe can mount. I think it will show against Hopkins.

 

Of course, you have to realise that SOME of the people picking Hopkins are merely doing it for the following reason:

If Hopkins beats Pavlik then Calzaghe's unimpressive performance against a 43 year old (yes, it NEEDS to be repeated again - 43 year old!) Hopkins will all of a sudden not be a detriment to his resume, but actually a good win.


Oh yeah, I forgot - it already is, eh? :blood

 

hopkins wont get knocked out....because he wont allow his self to get knocked out, he's too smart.... he's not going to stand and trade with pavlik, he no's he's younger and stronger....so he's going to make him fight his fight, his boring, muddy, clever fight.....that's why hopkins wont lose, pavlik only no's how to do wont thing, when he's allowed to do that, then what? miranda, taylor they both were looking for the same thing pavlik was looking for to knock the other fighter out.....so what happens when he fights someone who's mind set is to wrestle and run and counter shot for 12 rounds, and someone who's both skilled and intelligent enough to do it? not say pavlik's dead already but.....if he fights hopkins fight it's over

 

This is a good post...one I dont agree with...but a well thought out post.

But there is something you touched on in there that is the main reason why most people feel Hopkins not only has a chance of winning...but in all likelyhood SHOULD win.

You mentioned Hopkins being a master at using the ring and showing his opponents angles to keep him off balance...now what I want you to do is go watch ANY Kelly Pavlik fight and watch how ineffective he is when he is unable to set his feet to throw?

That is NOT his game....most of the time faced with this, he still tries to set his feet BEFORE throwing anyway...and if he cant do it, he doesnt throw. And ask yourself how many times Hopkins (who arguably has the best ring intellect ever) is going to let him set his feet and throw???

See, vs Calzaghe...this didnt matter. Its admittingly what I underestimated most from Joe before the fight. Hopkins took the angles away from him totally, but because Calzaghe is such an awkward fighter and so good at releasing punches from just about any angle, whether set or not (its why his punches and combos look amateurish at time...and DEFINATELY did vs Bernard)...it didnt matter. Joe was still able to keep his workrate high and tire Bernard out late.

And Bernard STILL arguably won the fight (tho I had Joe winning 8-4 minus the KD...but I gave him EVERY close round on activity alone).

How is Pavlik going to react to not being able to set his feet? How is he going to get off his normal workrate (remember, Calzaghe may have thrown alot, but it was STILL way less than he is used to)? If he does still attempt to throw, how effective will those punches be? How many will land? And how many times will be countered off balance?

A KO or TKO win here isnt about Bernard's power....remember it was a punch Joe didnt even see that put him on the floor. Im not picking a stoppage win, not by any means...but I would NOT be suprised if Kelly hit the canvas AT LEAST ONCE.

Prepare to see Pavlik more confused and frustrated than you ever have before....and dont be suprised if the punch stats at the end are close to being even for both men.

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(of course there is a HELL OF ALOT MORE reasons why I feel Bernard will win...but I will save those for a much more in depth post later...if this fight gets signed..)

 

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Joe C took a while to find hopkins so I cant see it being so easy for kelly to catch him. I think a lot of people are expecting kelly to blast through hopkins without any problems. It will be a slow dull fight with hopkins doing everything he can to slow kelly down, lots of dirty tactics from hopkins to grind kelly down.

 

I don't know what whithering means, either tell me in Icelandic or use a more international friendly word :-(

Pavlik's attack is completely different from Calzaghe's, and as much as people question how clean Joe landed, he did infact land "at the end of the day"

I question whether Pavlik will land anything at all. Whether he can shorten up his punches as Calzaghe did, and punch with speed, like Calzaghe did. Doubtful.

 

So if Hopkins beats Pavlik convincingly by UD would it not make calzaghes win more impressive? Everyone said hopkins is shot in the calzaghe fight and had no stamina to finish the job. If he performs impressively against Pavlik and still shows superb conditioning and finishes the fight strongly why wouldnt it raise the win for calzaghe?

 

Pavlik will be on his ass like flies on ****, for 12 rounds, He comes stright ahead, and doesnt stop punching. His boxing skills are VASTLY underrated, easily due to the color of his skin. This is a man who took apart Jermain Taylor, who is superior to Bernard "Cream of Wheat man" Hopkins in every way, (technically, style wise, power, speed, footwork, ect.) And he took him apart TWICE. ****ed him up the first time, outboxed the Olympian the 2nd time.

Hopkins is going to do what he does best. CLINCH for dear ****ing life. I can see it now. Borenard lunges forward with a good fast punch and then clinches hard, like Mariah hugging Nick Cannon on her wedding night. If the ref warns and penalizes Borenard for clinching, I am predicting a TKO. If Borenard is allowed to pull his John Ruiz bull**** for 12, look for another SD loss.

 

Jones beat Hopkins, and Tarver beat Jones. How on earth is Hopkins going to beat Tarver?

OH wait....am I a little late on that???

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Sorry to break it to you bro...but this train of thought 9 times out of 10 (when we are talking top fighters of course) doesnt hold weight.