Hopkins vs Pavlik: Be Real AMSTERDAM!

I agree with you wholly on this, you need more than 1 dimension to legitimately beat Hopkins, Pavlik with his shaky chin and leaky defence is target practice. I would have picked this just out of common sense, a one dimensional pressure fighter who can be sloppy and off balance vs. HOPKINS?

As old as he is, he still has enough timing and ring smarts to beat him easily.

 

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What I mean is Kelly throws as much as Joe, but they are harder punches. People are STILL underestimating the damage when they land. Lockett was taking knees on punches that were pretty much 'normal' from Kelly. To think he doesn't touch Hopkins is a bit much. Even if Hopkins does nothing but avoidance it will take a toll on his 43 year old legs. Kelly can even make Hopkins work in the clinch to wear him down.

 

Hopkins beat a bloated hollywood star who didnt take the sport seriously. Pavlik is not this, he is a pure fighter, and one who has a chance, if gay Hopkins isnt allowed to clinch like a little ***** all night, to secure a TKO. Bernard Hopkins needs to watch some footage of James Toney fighting, to see what it's like to fight like a man.

 

I'll bet if we check the records, it is accurate more than not. Also, we are talking TWO fights each here.

 

They might be damaging against a punching bag like Lockett, but not if you are hitting arms, gloves, elbows and shoulders as is extremely probable. They aren't short punches like Calzaghe's, nor are they particularly fast

While Hopkins will inevitably run out of gas down the stretch, I expect him to take a lot of the early rounds simply because Pavlik hasn't ever seen this type of fighter, and his counterpunching will be at its sharpest. Hopkins will build up a lead, and while Pavlik will pull it back down the stretch I can easily see Hopkins fiddling another couple rounds with dirty stuff.

It will be close, but I'm going Hopkins decision one way or the other.

 

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Not sure what you consider a short punch. Pavlik works/throws from a relatively high guard. No haymakers, not even when he is finishing. He keeps them short because with his lack of speed he needs to reset defensively.

I said early on the choice of ref could be big in this fight. Cortez was a joke but this won't be in Vegas. I'm hoping for Smoger.

 

Hopkins seems to get away with it every time, I wouldn't bank on refs being strong.

 

If it is OFTEN the other way around, then nobody would be champ very long. :-(

 

This is actually not a matter for opinion. Show me some numbers to back up your assertion.

 

Boxing has been around for a long time. You can pull out a list and call it endless, but it isn't. Even some of your examples are quite old. Most of the time the logic holds. If figther a beats b and b beat c then a beats c. Other wise, Joe would have been beaten somewhere allong the way. No? Pavlik would have a defeat by now. No? SOMETIMES styles will break this cycle. But not more often than not.

 

There is nothing for TFFP, I mean Amsterdam to get real about

Hopkins will show him up. I just hope the diehard Pavlikites (Vincent, Hermit, piped (if he returns - maybe he knows the deal) and booradley) don't jump off the sinking ship immediately. He'll still be a pretty good fighter, we'll just have a nice fresh perspective on the man.