Hopkins Vs. Stevenson: Could The Old Alien Executioner Be Kryptonite To The Superpimp

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  1. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    While its a common misperception on this site that Kovalev beat an old worn out has been version of Hopkins and they cynically refuse to give Sergey full credit for it, the reality is Hopkins even at his advanced age is fully capable of beating most of the fighters campaigning at Super Middleweight and many a Light Heavyweight. Hopkins going into the Kovalev match was coming off of schooling three fighters in their early 30's who were every bit as good as the majority of Stevenson's best wins. Beibut Shumenov who Hopkins dropped is a very good fighter who's only loss was to a healthy prime Gabriel Campillo and that was incredibly close, since then he moved to Cruiserweight and schooled BJ Flores. Karo Murat only had one loss going into the Hopkins match and that was a bull**** British stoppage of epic proportions against Nathan Cleverly, while no world beater by any stretch he's a lot better than people seem to think he is. And Tavoris Cloud who was undefeated although he probably should have lost to Campillo earlier that year in a close match, Hopkins took his soul and left him with nothing for Stevenson later that year.

    The truth is those three opponents are every bit as good as Bellew, Bika, and maybe even Fonfara and would most likely have close fights with all of them. And far better than Karpency and Sukhotsky. So taking into consideration Hopkins still impressive chin, decent speed, ability to sets traps, underrated power and crisp counters, is he capable of taking the Lineal Light Heavyweight Title from the one handed and very predictable Stevenson even now?

    As far as power goes, Kovalev took Boone out in two, Stevenson it took 6 and according to Boone himself Kovalev is the bigger puncher of the two. And lets be honest here, Stevenson couldn't stop Fonfara, Bika and came close to not stopping Don George inside the distance, none of whom would go the full 12 with Kovalev. So its doubtful his power could bother Hopkins all that much, and Stevenson chose to not fight Bernard Hopkins for a reason....because he was scared he'd lose to an old man.

    So how do you see this match playing out had it happened or if it happens.

    Could the Alien still pull it off and beat the piece of ****, I think its entirely possible.
     
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  2. ellerbe

    ellerbe Loyal Member Full Member

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    Not a shot in hell, Stevenson batters Hopkins. You need to stop overrating Hopkins and Pascal because Kovalev fought them.
     
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  3. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    You need to stop underrating them because Kovalev fought them.
     
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  4. ellerbe

    ellerbe Loyal Member Full Member

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    I'm not underrating them at all. I said it a billion times before the Kovalev fight, Hopkins has been looking old, and was getting hit far too much against Murat and Shumenov who are nowhere close to elite. He also lost 2 one sided affairs against Dawson(we all know he *****ed out in the first fight), a guy Stevenson nearly killed in 1 round. Stevenson is elite whether you want to admit it or not, and the most recent thing that Bhop did that very impressive was beat Pascal but that was like 4 years before, and 4 years in your 40's is a whole lot longer. If Stevenson beat up Bhop instead of Kovalev i know for a fact that you'd be ****ting on the win.

    As for Pascal it's a solid win again, but like I said he wouldnt stand a chance against Stevenson and Fonfara beats him too, but you'll score the fight for Pascal like you did for Cleverly.
     
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  5. Rumsfeld

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    I think the Hopkins who faced Kovalev can very likely defeat the Stevenson who faced Fonfara. I do have some reservations about Stevenson's hand speed troubling the old man - troubling him in an entirely different way than Kovalev had troubled him.

    But I like Hopkins' chances in this one.

    At the same time, Hopkins did cross the 50-threshold, and he did have some real damage inflicted upon him towards the end of the Kovalev bout. If he's going to fight again, especially against a puncher, I'd prefer it be someone a little smaller and a good deal slower.
     
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  6. Robney

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    Not anymore.
    He would definitely give the pimp some problems, but can't really see him win anymore.
    At this age years count double and the Kova beating probably took a lot out of him.
    I'll say about 8/4 including a knockdown in pimp's favor.
     
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  7. ellerbe

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    See that's the problem with Stevenson fighting HOpkins now. All the Kovalev fan would credit Kovalev for that win, and say that Bhop was shot, but then act like Bhop was extremely good win for Kovalev.
     
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  8. ellerbe

    ellerbe Loyal Member Full Member

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    With or without the beating that he took from Kovalev, Stevenson wins a clear decision, or stoppage.
     
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  9. Rumsfeld

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    I myself remain convinced that indeed it WAS an extremely good win for Kovalev. Even at nearly 50, Hopkins was (and likely still is) a force to be reckoned with. Kovalev controlled the range exceptionally well against Hops to the point where he completely shut down Hopkins offense and neutralized his usual bag of tricks. That's no easy feat.

    :smoke
     
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  10. drenlou

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    maybe... I'd give him a Boxers chance..
     
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  11. ellerbe

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    Solid win to me, a better win than anything GGG has done but that's not saying much. Neither Stevenson or Kovalev has truly done anything that's "extremely good" at LHW.
     
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  12. CST80

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    What evidence do we have that Stevenson is truly elite? Dawson was a shell of himself and everyone on this site knows this full well and he caught him cold in the first round, Karpency beat him for God sakes, Bellew is the same level as Cleverly, Fonfara is brutally overrated his best wins are Chavez Jr a MW and wrecked by Kovalev versions of Campillo and Cleverly in a close fight, Sukhotsky is below average and had lost to White who Kovalev KO'd in 2, Bika as much as I like him is a blown up SMW who has countless losses, Karpency is trash, Cloud was okay but lost to Campillo, and Beterbiev's obliteration of him showcases how overrated Stevenson's power is.
     
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  13. CST80

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    :good Same concerns I have, but I still think he could pull it off, barring he wasn't ruined in the 12th by Sergey.
     
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  14. Super Hans

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    Hopkins takes him into deep waters and drowns him in the seventh
     
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  15. ellerbe

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    Shell of himself :lol:, he just beat Bhop twice a year before. So because he lost to Andre Ward he was a shell of himself? I thought he was drained according to you, so one loss means that you're a shell of yourself :lol::lol:. You just dont want to give either Ward or Stevenson any credit. It's so blatantly obvious. So you're saying that the Dawson that Karpency that Dawson fought is the same that Stevenson fought huh? That overweight Dawson that looked like he was on a McDonalds diet :lol:. Stop being so transparent.
    Fonfara is a better win than Pascal. He'd beat Pascal too. So what has Kovalev done to prove he's elite? He's fought a 50 year old senior citizen, Pascal who's overrated as hell, what else? Campillo who was beaten by nearly everyone? Cleverly who just lost to one of Stevensons wins?
    You know what's funny you picked both jr and Cleverly to beat Fonfara, and if Fonfara/pascal fight is made, you'll make the same prediction and fonfara wins yand talk about how Pascal was shot after because of Kovalev.
    Like I said, neither Kovalev or Stevenson have any wins against elite guys, but they're clearly the top of their division, and they both have extremely solid resumes. So they're both elite in my books. Just like GGG is elite even though he hasn't fought one elite guy yet, and Andrade.
     
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