Hopkins would make Chad Dawson look amateur just like what he did to Pavlik....

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  1. BadJuju83

    BadJuju83 Bolivian Full Member

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    Good job i dont then isnt it.

    Think he'd be more than enough for Chad though.


    I like Chad but he takes too many breaks in a round, and during that time Hop would make him look silly.

    He's only a pup though. so i think he will iron that out and learn to pace himself throughout a round, and he will be very difficult to beat on Points.
     
  2. LockDog387

    LockDog387 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    You're judging Dawson during the Tarver fight, when he was toying with him. See his fights against Adamek, Johnson, and Harding, Dawson wasn't taking any breaks. Saying that Hopkins can beat any LHW or SMW at this stage of his career is silly, let alone Dawson.

    Dawson is no pup he's an experienced LHW who beat Harding, Adamek, Johnson and Tarver, that's more than enough to earn the right to fight Hopkins.
     
  3. iceman71

    iceman71 WBC SILVER Champion Full Member

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    dawson aint pavlik.
    PERIOD!
     
  4. Jeff M

    Jeff M Future ESB HOF Full Member

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    You should have added Jermaine Taylor because the two fights Bernard is looking at are Calzaghe II and Taylor III saying they have "unfinished business."
     
  5. Jeff M

    Jeff M Future ESB HOF Full Member

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    Agreed 100% Dawson still has too many flaws for B-hop to take advantage of. If Glencoff Johnson almost beat him because of his mistakes Bernard would make him look silly, and so would Calzaghe. Dawson's not where they're level but he has potential. They are the top two fighter from 154 and up. Bernard said he didn't want to fight another young fighter to basically make a fool of them. Funny, the guy is ageless.
     
  6. king s

    king s Well-Known Member Full Member

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    If dawson does what he did 2 tarver last around again then hopkins should fight him.
     
  7. king s

    king s Well-Known Member Full Member

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    but next he should fight kessler.
     
  8. BadJuju83

    BadJuju83 Bolivian Full Member

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    Honestly no im not judging chad on the tarver fight, though the fact you think thats the one im talking about is worrying since it's his latest but whatever.

    Dawson has impressed me as he has every other genuine fan, and i wasnt trying to be a **** by calling him a pup, i was merely saying he is new to the Elite level, and as he is, i honestly think Hop would be too cute for him, but that fight is never happening so it really doesnt matter. But i take offense at the thought Hop gets dismissed as easily as the guy was suggesting.


    I dont think it was wrong of me to suggest at 26, The best of Chad is too come. He looks brilliant for far too few of a round to think he mixes with the Elite just yet.
     
  9. p.Townend

    p.Townend Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I think Dawson should get the chance if he wants it.If i were him though id look very closley at what happened to Pavlick.Chad is going well and could do without losing to a clever old pro like Hopkins.Id like to see Bernard get a rematch with Calzaghe.
     
  10. Holsten81

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    I think Dawson is a little to wild for Hopkins id go Nard in a one punch, headbutt, hold fest.

    chad has his biggest problems with pressure fighters.
     
  11. Hop is 44. He doesn't really want to have to face Dawson because of his superior hand speed and youth. He would be more interested in the less athletic young guys like a Pavlik-type (which he gambled on because he had to get redemption (and as JC didn't have the guts to take on the younger, taller fighter right after his dismal performance against BHOP and instead went for an old near-shot RJJ) believing (correctly) that his prior loss was a one-off because he hadn't prepared well enough and his conditioning had (surprisingly) let him down) or a less talented fighter with a legacy like a Calzaghe (which is why he would jump at the rematch - as everyone could see how limited Joe is comparatively and fortunate he was that BHOP seemed tired without an extra closing gear).

    I'm sure Hop believes he would have handled Chad in the mid to late 90s when he would have given nothing up physically to the younger man. But not today. I can't see him choosing to fight Chad. 44 is 44. He is probably struggling with the rock and a hard place choice but might rather add the muscle and take a preferred fight with some slow Euro cruiser to add another title at another weight class over having to fight Dawson.

    He's a bit ****ed that RJJ had so little left that he couldn't KO or decision JC to allow for that long awaited rematch, GJ would pose a physically tough matchup with little perceived reward, and Calzaghe is smart enough to say "**** that" to the thought of mixing with BHOP again. He certainly doesn't want any of the younger US LHWs (too little reward for too great a risk at 44) and while he is not as dangerous as the younger US LHWs, fighting Kessler (if he would agree to 175) who is in his physical prime could be a taxing fight too with little reward (as no one in America has ever heard of Kessler) and he definitely doesn't need the money so he wouldn't travel to stage a mega-fight in Europe.

    But, fighting Chad at 44 would potentially be a hell of a tough fight as he knows Chad would be EXTREMELY motivated to beat the ancient ATG. He might have enough on the night to win. But if he can't match Chad's energy it could be a horrible night as he wouldn't be facing a slow Pavlik or a slapping Calzaghe.

    The best choice for everyone is really Calzaghe/Hopkins II. Less physical risk for the two aged fighters and enough name recognition to garner sufficient fan interest and bank before they both head out to pasture.

    Some think of Calzaghe as the LHW champ but that is near laughable. BHOP wasn't really the LHW champ either. All of these guys are way too old and past prime to put their stamp upon the division at this point in their careers (same for GJ, Tarver, RJJ, etc.). The only thing that remains is to fight each other and that is what they have been doing. Once they are forced to defend against the up and comers they risk getting old overnight and getting beat. They know it. But clearly many on ESB don't when they say "Hopkins would make Chad Dawson look amateur". Impossible. Chad is a whole different animal compared to a Kelly Pavlik.
     
  12. imp4pdabest

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    You guys say the dumbest stuff. Can you name 2 pressure fighters he's faced that put pressure on him?
     
  13. Flea Man

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    He should fight Valuev. I actually think it's a winnable fight for B-Hop and what a way to end his career!
     
  14. Flea Man

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    Well Hopkins is hardly a pressure fighter.

    I have faith in Hopkins ability to conjure up a plan, and I think he has enough pop to keep Chad inactive enough to win a decision. Dawson will flurry fast, will constantly get grabbed, I think Hop will be the one landing the cleaner shots and will win a tight, maybe even contested decision.

    It will enhance his resume but not his reputation amongst casual fans....Hop does what he needs to do, and I think Dawson is sometimes inactive due to stamina rather than tactically. Hopkins got gassed in the Calzaghe fight but Dawson is a different fighter to Calzaghe...he likes having time to figure out what he wants to do.

    Only thing is, by the time he's figured it out and comes back at Hop, 'Nard will already have a plan to counter effectively.

    It would definitely be a tough fight for Hopkins but I see him putting in one last great performance and getting a Decision.

    But I don't think he'd fight again afterwards, unless a totally talentless guy came through and somehow had a big reputation.
     
  15. debaser

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    Up to heavyweight (if it''s physically possible for him to do so). He wouldn't have power but speed, skill and ring smarts would mean he would defeat any of them imo.