Yeah cause Tucker, Smith, Green and Tillis all suffered early blowouts in the face of the Tyson juggernaught. Lay off the crackpipe mate, Tyson was a great fighter at his peak, but Liston is a while league above those fighters I mentioned and most of Tysons other career opponents too. Sonny has a strong set of whiskers actually and would out outtough Tyson when it came to the crunch (ie: championship rounds). His jab, adaptibility,skillset and power would allow him to hld a slight edge before upping the ante and finishing Tyson late.
Tyson dominates Liston. 1. Tyson is the better more skilled boxer 2. Liston's jab would be ineffective against Tyson's head movement and countering 3. Tyson has a massive speed advantage 4. Liston would be there to be hit, which spells diaster against Tyson
Tyson. Liston has power, but is too slow. He'd be dodged and countered by a much quicker fighter before a string of knockdowns.
I think Liston would have to jab to Tyson's chest and shoulders to stand a really good chance. Otherwise I see Tyson slipping that extremely heavy but not very quick jab and countering. But if Liston adopts this tactic his powerful jab can stop Tyson in his track and throw him off his game. When that happened to Tyson he usually lost. Otherwise I favour Tyson. His speed would make the difference if they started to trade.
You're ludicrousy underesimating Liston here. Thomas was close to all square against Tyson till he got shaken and stopped, he was throwing the jab superbly, Liston's is even better. Seems like a pretty decent blueprint to me (except Liston will be landing more maningful shots obviously). :good
Personally I had Thomas even or slightly ahead. But I didn't matter, he was gassing badly, and when you do that against a still fresh Tyson there's only one way you're going to go... But you're right that Thomas and also Douglas showed that Tyson could be bothered by a good jab. Liston's jab probably wasn't as quick as their jabs, though. Don't know how much succes he would have with it if he threw it solely at Tyson's head.
1. He was dominated by Ali twice 2. Tyson had better footwork and head movement, put his punches together better, I could go on 3. Tyson met plenty of jabbers who threw the jab faster and better than Liston. Tyson vary rarely ate a flush jab let alone got controlled by 1. That combined with the fact Tyson 4. No Tysons speed is near Alis speed and Ali made Listons speed look as fast as paint drying. The fact Tyson gets his shots off first and Liston doesnt get counters off because hes too slow 5. Even if Liston could outbrawl Tyson, which I doubt, Tyson is landing punches by beating Liston to the punch, not getting hit, hes doing damage to Liston without taking punnishment in exchange. If anyone's will is going to be broken it is likely to be Listons.
Liston would brutalize Tyson, and the only advantages i see for Tyson is being superior in the hand speed category, because he would get the worse on both the inside and outside, and their power is debatable, Liston could truly punch too. It would be fun while it lasted, but Tyson's heart wouldn't come through in the end, he would be taken out.
Well, that's how I scored it. Doesn't really matter, though, because it was only going to end one way. It was easy to see that Thomas was a goner when he came out for the last round. And Tyson's finishing... Brutal, brilliant stuff.
Tyson frightened his opponents and intimidated them, before the fight even started. If he didn't frighten you, half his advantage was gone. Liston was a far scarier dude. I believe Lison would intimidate Tyson, and badly. Liston wins this one during the staredown. The official end would come in round two or three, maybe one.
... but we're not talking about the Liston of the Ali fights if it's peak for peak. Liston hit his very best around the time of the fights against Williams, Folley and Machen etc. It'd be liked picking Tyson from the Buster defeat.
Just how well would an old Tyson--the guy facing the likes of Francis, etc--look against the reflexes of a 22 year old Cassius Clay? The Tyson camp would've never fought the guy & they never did take on a youthful up and comer, aside from the flawed Ruddock. The Liston camp signed to fight Clay & they certainly had other options and didn't have to fight the guy. They could've milked that title for a few years longer before facing a pedigreed youthful challenger. Any old heavyweight & not just Liston, is going to look like an old man facing a 22 year old Clay.