How accurate was De Niro's portrayal of LaMotta in Raging Bull?

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  1. globe_trotter

    globe_trotter Member Full Member

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    In terms of Jake's overall personality. Raging Bull is one of my favourite movies and ive seen it hundreds of times and it never gets old for me. It seems like Jake was a real head case, and had a severe case of paranoia. For the longest time i've been trying to figure out whether some things were taken to the extreme.

    How accurate was that, were some things twisted for the sake of good entertainment? No doubt LaMotta himself admitted to be a pretty bad head case but do you see him being worse in real life as he was in a movie? Jake said that the first time he watched Raging Bull he was really dissapointed. when he asked Vicky if he was really like that, she told him "You were worse."

    i also read Lamotta's book years back and i thought it was poorly written. In the movie they replaced Jake's best friend Pete with his brother. also the movie created the myth that Jake was a fearsome puncher.

    I havent read Vickie's autobiography maybe she reveals more about Jake in her book? anyone read it and have any interesting stories?

    Please discuss.
     
  2. Rourke

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    I don't think you can blame De Niro's portrayal, if you need to blame someone it's Scorsese, the director who at the end of the day is in charge of everything. This however was a very collaborative project for the duo, much more so than the other ones they've made together, I believe, De Niro got Scorsese on board.

    I've never read the book but I've read a lot of trivia on the film, for example they toned it down somewhat from the Paul Schrader screenplay, where there was some sort of a masturbation scene that De Niro didn't want to go through, I think it was replaced with the ice water scene.
     
  3. wansen

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    No doubt Marty S. took some 'creative liberties' in making the movie. Still, it was a great flick. I would have liked to have seen Jake getting his Pot while in prison. Smuggled in tea bags if I remember reading correctly.
     
  4. wansen

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    One of Jake's favorite ways to make weight was F**k Vicky in the steam room - supposedly for protracted periods. I wish they could have worked that into the script.
     
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  5. globe_trotter

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    yep it was all in special features on movie's re-release a couple years back, it was a 2 disc edition. De niro wasnt happy with the script and complained on more than one occasion.
     
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  6. TheBradyHawkes

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    Lamotta is given credits as a writer and consultant on the film. We all know that doesn't mean much, but I reckon he had a small role in what went into the movie.
     
  7. globe_trotter

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    that must have been in the book. The last time i read raging Bull must have been 5 years ago. some parts were interesting, especially reading about Jake's childhood and how his dad gave him an ice pick and told him to rough up bullys that were beating on him. overall i thought it could have been written better.

    today i remember the details vaguely and would like to read it again. but i cant get my hands on the book. My ex took it with her and never gave it back to me lol. and i dont wanna spend money on the book that i already paid for.
     
  8. globe_trotter

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    yes he was a consultant in the movie. Do you think he was just brutally honest or do you think he exaggerated a few things to make himself appear more menacing?
     
  9. TheBradyHawkes

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    From what I've read of the man, I would say he probably imbelished some things. But I do think the crux of his story is true.
     
  10. teeto

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    It was absolutely spot on in terms of mannerisms, watch 'The Way it Was' with Don Dunphy on LaMotta-Robinson 6, and see LaMotta talking, DeNiro nails it.

    I don't mean about his overall personality though
     
  11. janitor

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    I would say that if anything he understated some elements to portray himself in a more positive light.
     
  12. janitor

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    Regardless of the acuracy of the film De Niro deserves a lot of credit for the performance he put on as an actor. Not only in terms of acting ability but also what he put his body through boxing and fluctuating weight.

    He was the consumate proffesional actor.
     
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  13. Chinxkid

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    Also I think he looked pretty good in the ring as Jake, albeit a little stiff. He even was conscious of Jake's style, note the roundhouses he threw.
     
  14. teeto

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    Even Jake said himself that the re-enactment of the Dauthille fight was superb, 'the way he fell', he said was spot on, and it was.
     
  15. Chinxkid

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    Yeah, Jake was quite pleased with the movie overall. But maybe it also had a lot to do with the LaMotta "light" treatment that we got. I think it was Janitor that said that if anything the movie underplayed LaMotta's darker, (almost redundant), side. Most if not all fighters come from the streets, have a rough background, quite a few skeletons in their closet, but Jake came up rougher than most, a father that put him and his brother Joey out on the streets to fight with the other neighborhood kids while he and the grown-ups put bets down, like a cockfight.
     
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