How amazing is the HW division right now?

It's only exciting if the right fights happen,
Joshua needs to fight Wilder and Fury but then again someone could come along and destroy Fury and Wilder as both fighters are overrated , it's like a chess match and Eddie Hearn the puppet master pulling the strings , i would say the current heavyweight division is overrated.

 

This was my main problem with the Klitschko era, not that there weren't good fighters during that time but that they hardly ever bothered to fight each other. The average contender just fought in his own little mini-league, taking on various no-hopers till he got a high enough ranking for a crack at one of the brothers. The only time we really found out how good they were was when they competed in a title fight, and in many cases their lack of seasoning badly showed them up.

This era isn't demonstrably better than that one, but at least the top ten fight each other on a semi-regular basis. In the Klitschko era we had no idea who was best out of the likes of Peter, Arreola, Solis, Chagaev, Ibragimov, Haye, Adamek etc because not one of them fought each other! There could have been some phenomenal tear ups among that bunch, but we'll never know, and as such the era comes across as dull and lifeless and the competitors remain question marks when regarded historically.

 

Yes, it does seem a bit lacking in world class technicians. Even Olympic medallists like Joyce and Yoka look crude and straightforward compared to fighters like Chagaev and Ibragimov, and one of the most skilled men in the division, Ortiz, was often seen as second best to the likes of Solis back in the day.

I wish we could just get a mix of skilled and gutsy, but for whatever reason it seems to shift back and forth like that.

 

Just watch the great fights of today and then go and watch something like Bowe/Holyfield. The skillset gap seems night and day but at the end of the day it's a game of punching each other in the face no matter how much you butter it up.

 

Chisora is an abysmal hold over from that era and he went life and death with scrub ass Whyte, twice.

 

Chisora took Vitali twelve hard rounds and beat a prime Helenius. He was hardly abysmal.

I'd also argue that he's a more effective puncher nowadays than he was back then. He doesn't slap with his shots half as much as he used to and gets some real oomph into his overhand right when it lands.

 

Well the 90s seemed on another level to almost any other era barring the 70s, so that's always going to be hard to top. A fight like Takam vs Chisora would have been seen as par for the course back then. Now they're considered FOTY worthy.

 

I don’t like the Whyte fight for Joshua. Whyte has improved a lot and he has power. The fight is far riskier than Wilder so I can see a scenario where Whyte and Fury are the ones holding the belts next year.

 

Yep, I remember it. Maybe 2003 to 2016 was a lot of circle-jing. There was a Chagaev/Ruiz/Valuev one going on for a few years around the WBA belt if I remember it. Also as much a I credit Haye purely as a boxer, those negotiation sagas and pull-outs that almost extended into years drained the division no end. I wanted to see Haye/Povetkin ... that would have been a mega great fight IMO ... would have been.

Also Ortiz could have taken on Ustinov but just added more wasted time due to promotion issues.

One of the reasons I can find to support fighters like Parker, Whyte and especially Usyk ... is that they fight other top fighters and negotiate for it to happen in a relatively simple manner over a short period. Heavyweight division right now really needs Joshua-Wilder ... Fury fights the winner. I dread the thought of 18 months of negotiation drama and speculation clogging things up, with anyone in a mandatory position biding their time not taking any risks lest they lose their shot.

A lot or good HW talent under 20 fights coming up who might force the issue. I think Joshua-Wilder-Fury should make their move now, so that they have time for rematches and fights to regain their positions after a loss. In 2 years it might be a much more competitive scenario around the top 5.

 

he lost to helenious last i knew. both took place what? a decade ago? chisora doesn't have one top notch victory to his name.

 

it gets hate because many people have agendas and can't stand to see certain fighters/promoters/nationalities gain success and they will try to discredit them in anyway possible.

quite pathetic/sad imo

 

That says more about the generally poor run of opponents Vitali counted as defences, to be honest, since Chisora was clearly one of his better victories compared to the likes of Briggs, Sosnowski, Charr, Arreola etc.

 

one of his better ones in brits opinions.

 

Chisora needed Brit Reffing to beat Pala, Gerber, and Scott.

 

Who would you consider as better?