How Anthony Joshua can become the greatest heavyweight of this era

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  1. Joeywill

    Joeywill Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Alis total resume in the 70s was greater than Foreman. Yes head to head is the first thing you think of but not an end all be all.

    Bernard Hopkins is better than Jermaine Taylor
    Shane Mosley is better than Vernon Forrest.
     
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  2. kirk

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    Wilder took less money to fight a seemigly weaker at the time Fury than AJ was offering him to make their fight, yet AJ didnt try to make that fight?

    And Wlad is a top dog when Fury eeks past him in a close decision but hes all of a sudden not one of the top ddogs 16 months later? Lol please. Wlad was easily still top 4 when AJ fought him and would have been an even money fight against Fury had they.

    Funny revisionist history there.
     
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  3. kirk

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    Fury beat a better Wlad, but a more experienced Whyte :lol:



    :lol: :lol:
     
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  4. HistoryZero26

    HistoryZero26 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    In this scenario AJ would be viewed as the king of the next era. He is not retrocratively becoming king of 2016-2024. When a fighter has a clear 2-0 H2H the losers success helps the winner. Whatever great things AJ does in the next few years will just get Usyk more shine.

    In terms of him having a much longer HW resume than Usyk, he has that right now Usyk has beaten 5 opponents. That doesn't erase 2-0 H2H. Usyks lack of a resume is noted but that hurts him more in ATG discussions than relative to AJ. He beat AJ and Fury his status as king is sign, sealed and delivered.

    Also AJ has said he'll retire after 2025. Hes not looking for a long reign. Hes looking to win another belt and/or fight Fury and call it a day.
     
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  5. Badbot

    Badbot You can just do things. Full Member

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    Man, the heavyweight future look bleak. Joshua, Wilder, Fury and Usyk all gone in the next 3/4 years?
    There is no one to replace them.
     
  6. Arch Stanton

    Arch Stanton When you have to shoot, shoot!, don't talk...... Full Member

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    Well the 70's resume of foreman's Vs Ali's resume is certainly genuinely debatable. As are their total wins ( and manners of the wins with certain fighters they both fought) and losses..hence the 70's being dubbed as the golden age of Heavyweight boxing.

    Suffice to say, then. The definite kicker between the two was the Rumble in the Jungle....

    ;)
     
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  7. Joeywill

    Joeywill Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I wouldnt call Furys win over Wlad as eeking past him in a close decision. Fury clearly won. No matter how unappealing the fight was.
     
  8. Joeywill

    Joeywill Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Correct
     
  9. Joeywill

    Joeywill Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Theres young guys on the come up. We will see who emerges.
     
  10. Joeywill

    Joeywill Boxing Addict Full Member

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    No its not debatable. Foreman has very little depth. Ali depth is way greater than Foreman in the 70s.
     
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  11. HistoryZero26

    HistoryZero26 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Hrgovic, Kabayel, Dubois and maybe the younger Miller seem like the beginnings of the next group.

    Honestly I'm excited to turn the page. This era kind of felt like you were begging the fighters to fight. Tyson Fury really made you appreciate Wladimir Klitschko and the dull monotony of defending ones title every 6 six months.
     
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  12. Badbot

    Badbot You can just do things. Full Member

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    Yea, I can´t get excited about that at all. Seems like the early 2000s all over again.
     
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  13. Slyk

    Slyk Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Please post your Fury-Klitschko scorecard. I would love to see how you have him "eeking out" a "close decision". You're doing the revisionist history calling that fight close.

    Yes, Fury ended the Klitschko era. He took out the top dog. Joshua beating a #4 ranked HW in 41 year old Vlad in his own backyard isn't him "taking out the top dogs". He never beat Champion Klitschko, and never beat any of the top champs of his own era. It's a lesson in promotional failure (and a failure to block a counter left hook).

    If Hearn and Wilder's camp didn't try to marinate "the fight of the century" then Joshua could have faced one of the top dogs, then Fury could have challenged the winner of that. Instead they over marinated, Joshua got stopped by Ruiz, and the rest is history.
     
  14. lobk

    lobk Original ESB Member Full Member

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    Again nowhere there do I say he is the best. Just that Joshua cant be rated higher than someone who beat him definitively twice and retired the undisputed unified champ.
     
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  15. SergioJ91

    SergioJ91 Active Member Full Member

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    That ship has sailed…
     
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