How anyone can think the 03-05 Pac is better than the 08-10 version??!

you conveniently forgot to mention that in 2003, Pac moved up in weight from 122 to 126 to take on Barrera with no tuneups whatsoever to get used to the higher division. Barrera was the universally recognized champ at FW, ranked in the top3 p4p and was 29 years old and on the best win streak of his entire career.

Pacquiao then proceeded to completely annihilate Barrera from start to finish.



Don't forget that when Pac fought Marquez to a draw, Marquez was a career FW, and Pac was only in his second fight at FW. If he had more time to grow into the division, he may well have KTFO Marquez in a single round. Can you imagine?

Roach actually said in a pre-Barrera interview that after the MAB fight, Pac would move back down to 122 cause he was still making that weight easily.

 

It is because the opposition he faced at that time was better and he had more trouble with them. He is destroying these welters and therefore they act like its the same guy against lesser opposition. I think this pac is better the opposition is less but still very solid. Who at 140/147/154 comes close to atg status or being really good? only guy that is doesnt have, the other top guys he already beat.

 

:huh Its because the 03-05 Pacquiao had better footwork and punch selection.

 

I think the 2nd Morales fight is where Pac really started showing improvement in his boxing. That was in 06. The 03-05 version was a monster, but still rather raw and one-dimensional. His speed may have decreased a bit, naturally as he's put on the lbs, but he has definately improved his skills since then. I would take the 08-10 version in a heartbeat to beat the 03-05 Pac.

 

My Opinion.

Ofcourse a two-handed is a better fighter than a one handed fighter, Can someone show me, where Pacquaio had improved hes right hand? which fights and videos if possible? Im not sure if he hurt anyone with hes right hand(Cotto?), its one of those you gotta watch out for hes left, so you get hit blinded by the right. Plus Pacquaio was moving up in weight, and was weight drained, since hes a natural junior welterweight imo.

As for the jab, its a fake jab to throw the left in. dont see improvements.

As for footwork, I dont see any improvements, yes he moves better, and faster, can it be because hes opponents are slower or just standing there, so he can maneuver, go in and out as much as he wants?

Pacquiao's speed and power is an advantage vs bigger opponents who are slower. He can get away fighting stronger guys because he can go in and out(since their slower) and get away from their punches.

Could be better opposition in 03-05, than the 08-10. Safe to say, the more the mismatch the more improvements you might see.

 

I sure hope you are being sarcastic here.

 

http://www.eastsideboxing.com/forum/showthread.php?t=280217

 

I think he dropped hatton and cotto with it, it was after marquez 1 roach figured they needed to add a right hand to manny´s arsenal

 

Are you insinuating that because Pac faced better opposition in JMM, MAB and Morales in the lower weights, that that is enough to conclude that Pac was better?

While I agree that he indeed faced better opposition, pound per pound, I don't think that ODLH (yes I'm including him), Hatton, Cotto, Clottey and Maragrito were that less of fighters.
And if you think they are, the key here is really simple: Pac didn't just face MAB, JMM and Morales at the entirety of his career at lightweight and below.
Go watch the B or C class fighters he faced and compare that to his fights at JrWW and WW.
It's just so easy to see that Pac has improved drastically all around.

 

Got me.:good

 

Pacquiao wasn't throwing his right at all back then. He's always been known as the guy with the massive left, nothing more.
He started using it brilliantly in Morales 3 but evidently was much much less potent.
In the Diaz fight, it's starting to manifest its strength. It came full circle when he dropped Hatton with it.

As for footwork, I'm not sure if you box, but it's not just about having happy feet.
It's about placement -- something he showed mastery over in the Cotto fight.
This is a long explanation so just do your homework here.

I don't think Pacquiao 's jab should be the subject of any technical boxing discussion.:rofl
It's good for parrying all right, and can sometimes throw an opponent's rhythm off or setup a good combination, but his jabs are nowhere near spectacular.

Pac on many occasions just let Cotto, Clottey and Margarito hit him point blank. He wasn't even using his speed or in-out movement. That shows how much he toughened up.
If he was this tough on the lower weights, JMM would've been bullied to death. And I'm not exaggerating here.

 

REALLY! :yikes

I can't believe I'm reading this ****! Seriously!

You can't see that his right hand improved!?!?! Instead of asking for evidence of his right hand improving, how about you show me him throwing a right hand when he was younger? Sow me a right hand similar to the perfectly timed one that had Hatton swinging at thin air. Show me one similar to the powerful right hook that stopped Margarito in his tracks and badly wobbled him.

You can't see that his footwork and movement have improved!?!?! Show me examples of a young Pacquiao landing on his opponents and all of a suddeny being 2 feet to the side of them before they've even finished covering up.

****ing hell

 

No contest really.

Pacquiao 08-10 has improved immensely from 03-05. It's a pretty short debate really...just watch, and anyone can see.

Better opposition in the lower weights, but Pacquiao is much better today.