How are British fighters viewed?

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by thomaschetwood, Jul 25, 2009.


  1. thomaschetwood

    thomaschetwood Member Full Member

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    I was just wondering how British fighters are generally regarded around the world, particularly in America. I get the impression British figters arent held in that high esteem and are always treated with a degree of scepticism. Obviously there are exceptions, but on the whole they dont seem to be held in the same regard as other nations. Is this true? Or is Britain a true force in world boxing? Discuss.
     
  2. thewinfella

    thewinfella The Golden Boy Full Member

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    No it isnt true actually its bull **** !!!!! , class is class , whether British , American , Mexican , Phillipino , German do you get my drift !!!!

    I myself am obviously British but do watch American based boxing shows more than i do the British ones , for a number of reasons , but its British people and British boxing fans that have this America underates our boxers chip on there shoulders when in actual fact they dont !!!!!!

    And its actually this myth that creates the divide if one truly exists , as pre mentioned class is class and the majority of American boxing fans are well educated boxing purists (the majority not all) , so they enjoy the fighters for there ability to entertain and show there skills !!!!!!
     
  3. David_TheMan

    David_TheMan ESB Sage Full Member

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    UK fighters are **** until they fight world class opposition, it is only then you can see where they stand.
     
  4. Scar

    Scar VIP Member Full Member

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    David Haye and Amir Khan, only two worth mentioning right now and both have their flaws. David Haye started a lot of talk about how he plans to fight both Klitschkos and very soon yet got injured out of the Wladimir fight and recently pulled out of the Vitali fight too.

    Amir Khan got KO'd cold under a minute against Prescott and is now being insanely overprotected while shamelessly going out in public claiming he plans to fight anyone coming off a loss or guys with **** poor KO ratios.

    Calzaghe was the real deal and he's retired. Don't think Froch is going anywhere either, I'll be shocked if he makes it to round 2 of the tournament.
     
  5. zarman

    zarman Guest

    you mean like froch who is still considered a bum by the yanks :roll:
     
  6. thomaschetwood

    thomaschetwood Member Full Member

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    The main issue is, how are British fighters viewed as a whole. Obviously the americans and mexicans and so forth have such a strong reputation and history in the sport. I was just wondering if British fighters had a good or bad repuation overall. Im not trying to say they underrate our fighters, i just want to know if they rate british fighters. Theres a difference. Theres no chip on my shoulder here at all. I just want to know either way. If there was a list of top boxing nations, where would britian stand?

    Obviously, id like this to be based on the views of well educated boxing purists here...so what do you think?
     
  7. thomaschetwood

    thomaschetwood Member Full Member

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    I think its too soon to write off Haye and Khan. They both have weaknesses but they also have great strengths. I would not be surprised if they both become superstars in the near future. Similarly, with their weaknesses, I would not be surprised if they both get found out. Personally though, i think Haye will beat valuev and wlad. And khans already the wba lw champ, so hes doing alright.
     
  8. ocelot

    ocelot Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    This thread speaks volumes about the insecurity of the British. 1) why on earth do you care, and why do these topics pop up on ESB virtually every week. 2) Why are you obsessed with 'Yanks'. Believe me, Americans don't give a second's thought to the British on a monthly, let alone a daily, basis- we're too busy doing things. 3) Where does this anti-British nonsense even come from? Calzaghe's my favorite fighter, Lenox Lewis is the best HW of the last 20 years, and I and other Americans root against American fighters all the time. Nationality has nothing to do with it. Americans are much more city-oriented than nationalistic. If an American fighter is a loud-mouth (ie., FMJ) I always root against him. But, ultimately, a first-year Psych student could tell you that all the 'Yank' this and 'Yank' that stuff is symptomatic of a deep, deep insecurity. Britain, get some therapy already and get over it.
     
  9. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    Maybe neither, necessarily? Not everybody is guilty of serial generalization. Ask about a specific British fighter if you want to know how they're viewed elsewhere in the world...all depends. :good
     
  10. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    True of fighters of all nationality, including American.
     
  11. David_TheMan

    David_TheMan ESB Sage Full Member

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    Yes, just like Froch the bum club fighter.

    Correct. It is just you don't see Americans going around and championing a bum like Brits do to people like AMir Khan, David Haye, Ricky Hatton and Joe Calzaghe. I think it is funny that the best Brit boxer I've ever see, Lennox Lewis, never got the love that any of those bums seem to get, atleast from my perspective. Hell, Witter gets no love either and he actually fights world class opposition, even though he loses when he steps up, at least he wants to see where he really stands, but the Brits show him no love.
     
  12. Two Shakes

    Two Shakes Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    The "REAL" and more knowledgeable fight fans appreciate a good fighter regardless of Nationality,creed or colour.Its only the idiots and ignorant caual fans who base there oppinions on anything else other than talent. :good
     
  13. Jennifer Love Hewitt

    Jennifer Love Hewitt Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I don't care where a fighter is from. Judge them on performances.
    Now, if a fighter never leaves his/her home town, especially if it's not exactly a boxing mecca, that is usually worrisome. It's usually a sign that they are being spoon-fed easy fights.
     
  14. thomaschetwood

    thomaschetwood Member Full Member

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    I think some are wildly missing the reason i started this thread, which is probably my fault. It was more to gauge an idea of how well british fighters stand up against other nations overall. Nothing patriotic/jingoistic/insecure but merely a thread to determine the standing of british fighters throughout the world. So for example, in a top ten of boxing nations who would come on top, who would come second and where (which is something id like people to discuss) would britain sit?

    I think your response speaks volumes of the difference between America and the rest of the world. No criticism just a fact of sport. The rest of the world plays sports against other major nations and so are more inclined to rate themselves against other major nations. Americans largely focus on sports (basketball, american football, baseball...) that are far more heavily played by themselves and so perhaps never wonder how others percieve them. By the way, I kinda object to you putting words in my mouth ie 'yank'. I didnt say that so dont assume that thats what i meant when beginning this thread. Thats slightly out of order.
     
  15. Jorodz

    Jorodz watching Gatti Ward 1... Full Member

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    british champions stand up as well as any other fighter, from any nation, depending on who they fight. it really does come down to this. most fans don't give a ****. there are some VERY vocal people on both sides though, some fanatically british and blinded by patriotism to fighters flaws and others fanatically racist and dismissive of a fighter just because he is british. The term euro bum is an example of the latter: there is no ameri-bum equivalent that i know of. Most of us look at a fighter's skills and accomplishments with little regard for nationality: look at the fighters idolized on here from different nations. Look at how much people love the super middles of the 90s, predominantly british. Look at how high Lewis is ranked all time as a heavy. Just because some people hate calzaghe incesintly and others love him obsessively doesn't mean there's a huge bias out there.