How Bad is Furys Resume?

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Jab in the Face, Oct 31, 2023.


  1. Redbeard7

    Redbeard7 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    He's right that Chagaev was sub-6, he's way overbilled. Fury's decision against sparring partner Pianeta was designed to get rounds in, reduce expectations and fool the gullible, something that clearly worked.

    Fencik claimed that Fury ducked Pulev to fight Haye instead, as if Haye wasn't a clear favourite and a much more lucrative, higher status fight and a far better, more dangerous opponent than Pulev.

    He's a massive Wlad fan, an East Euro nationalist who despises Fury for schooling Wlad in Germany. That's all there is to it.
     
  2. fencik45

    fencik45 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Pianeta also got ko'd by Kevin Johnson, noted featherfist.
     
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  3. The Long Count

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    Well I’m not going to debate Chagaev’s real height as to me it is irrelevant the man was a damn good fighter, And I read the post as someone trying to be dismissive of him quoting him as a some 5’11 Russian dude.

    Fury ducked the Wlad rematch I’m certain of that, but if he does fight Usyk - he’ll have faced the best in Wlad, the best in Usyk and although I find him vastly overrated a top 3 guy in Wilder. 3 times. So Fury can’t be considered a total ducker not to the level of Bowe. But he has squandered so much legacy it’s crazy. And that fight against Ngannou was an embarrassment
     
  4. fencik45

    fencik45 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Fury ducked Whyte until Povetkin almost killed him. So stop trying to use Whyte as some killer Fury faced, He was a slightly above average puncher who Fury refused to fight until an old man knocked him into another state of conciousness.
     
  5. MarkusFlorez99

    MarkusFlorez99 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Goes to show you're just working on assumptions and bias and not objectives as usual Ovah. Nobody cares about Fury. His resume is just as light. And I'm the fanboy here ? Despite you bringing up Charles Martin, Breazeale, Franklin and Helanius to wank ajs hoax of a record ?

    All of them are total crap lol ! This entire era is trash.
     
  6. Redbeard7

    Redbeard7 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    "Chagaev’s real height as to me it is irrelevant the man was a damn good fighter"

    Chagaev being a 5'11, obese cruiserweight is very relevant in assessing his abilities and threat level.

    "Fury ducked the Wlad rematch I’m certain of that"

    He'd beaten Wlad by wide margins in Germany, he had very little to gain from a Wlad rematch. Allegedly he tried to duck the Wilder trilogy too but was forced into it via arbitration. On paper there was little to gain from beating Wilder again either.

    "So Fury can’t be considered a total ducker"

    Wlad ducked Sanders 2, Williamson 2 and Joshua 2. Lewis ducked pre-prison Tyson, southpaws above Greg Gorrell level and Vitali 2.

    It's all well and good to claim Wilder is overrated but he did better against Fury than ATG Wlad and perhaps better than ATG Usyk will. He also hasn't lost to a 25/1 underdog type. Wlad and Lewis wouldn't have had three fights with Wilder away without getting KO'd at least once, they never fought anyone with anything resembling his attributes and had chin problems. Same probably goes for unknown quantity Ngannou.

    "But he has squandered so much legacy it’s crazy."

    Not necessarily. No one in boxing history has come back from putting on and losing so much weight and all of the other stuff. it's similar to how Ali gets additional credit for coming back to have a lot of success after sustained inactivity. An important part of greatness is overcoming adversity and Fury has created plenty of adversity for himself.

    "And that fight against Ngannou was an embarrassment"

    Sure, but yet again Fury got up to win. It could age well if Ngannou beats Joshua, Wilder or whoever.
     
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  7. Redbeard7

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    Bowe's team tried to get a 17 foot ring against *Larry Donald*, who Bowe sucker punched twice just before the fight. That says a lot to me.

    "Beating Holyfield the 1st time is the best win"

    Holyfield was 6'1.5, a former 190 pounder and a relatively light puncher. Bowe had a big size advantage (height, reach and weight) and a significant power advantage too. He also didn't have to deal with being away from home and the B-side. I regard Fury's wins over 6'5+ athletic KO artists and long-reigning champions Wlad and Wilder away from home as better wins. They are fighters with key attributes that didn't exist in the 90's barring Lewis.

    "Whyte"

    Whyte has a big left hook but he's not worth mentioning as a top win. He's Povetkin's best win but Chisora level. Cunningham, Wallin (who Whyte blatantly ducked 10 days out from their fight in London) and Ngannou would have beaten Whyte imo and all had vastly more success vs Fury.
     
  8. Redbeard7

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    You were fanboying for AJ and constantly defending him even after Ruiz destroyed him, only losing hope post-Usyk 1. It's just bitterness.
     
  9. Redbeard7

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    Long-reigning WBC champ Wilder in America was far better and more dangerous than a relative scrub like Wallin-ducker, AJ-victim, Chisora/Parker life and death Whyte. Fury had every reason to prioritise the Wilder fights and tailor his fight regimen around them.
     
  10. MarkusFlorez99

    MarkusFlorez99 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    And yet Fury just got humiliated by a mma fighter on his boxing debut.

    At this point Fury has embarrassed himself even worse than aj, although in truth both are failures.

    "B..B..B..BUT Heavyweight GOAT Everyone !"

    You're abysmal logic has gotten you nowhere, and your goat has disgeaced boxing in an irreversible fashion. No matter what Fury does, he can never undo that pathetic performance, especially the majority think Ngannou won. But keep trying tho
     
  11. Redbeard7

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    How does that nonsense change this:

    "You were fanboying for AJ and constantly defending him even after Ruiz destroyed him, only losing hope post-Usyk 1. It's just bitterness."
     
  12. MarkusFlorez99

    MarkusFlorez99 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Changing an opinion on a boxer after seeing them get exposed is normal ? What's the argument ?

    You dick riding a fat egghead despite the irreparable damage he has done to boxing is the real elephant in the room. Mr Redbeard aka NEETzchean. You're not a boxing fan. You're a Fury fan
     
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  13. Redbeard7

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    The era was fine until AJ-superior started losing. Actually it was still fine when you still believed he might beat Fury. Sad!
     
  14. MarkusFlorez99

    MarkusFlorez99 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Ngannou arguably did it already, which itself is hilarious stuff. How does an "atg" lose to someone like that. It just doesn't happen. It should go against the laws of physics, and yet we saw it for our own eyes. NEETZCHEAN. Fury can't be great

    No matter how many ad Hominems you try to commit it will never change the fact that both the fat gypsy and the bodybuilder embarrassed themselves in front of millions and brought shame on the boxing world, especially bald Santa Claus

    Your goat got his ass beat by a cameroonian mma fighter on his first professional fight.

    Unfortunately Chrismas came early and he got a gift
     
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  15. Redbeard7

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    Keep crying.

    As I say, there was nothing wrong with the era for you until AJ got beat by Usyk. Even the Ruiz loss didn't turn you off. The era is bad because a fat white gypsy is the top dog. That's what it comes down to.