How Bad Is The Ngannou fight for Furys legacy

It affects it but he already has had a lot of brow-raisers, so it's not like it downgrades it from something great but more so adds onto his already questionable career.

In isolation, it's not THAT big of a deal though because I do think it's possible to transition decently well from other combat sports into boxing if some things align - namely you are striking focused fighter, and you go into divisions with smaller talent pools/lesser skill focus.

 

This isn't true. I've written several very long dissertations on here explaining why Foremans 90s SOS wasn't his fault. Foreman was a faithful custodian of the lineal tradition. He puts a certain 4 someones from recent years to shame.

 

As a fan, it's absolutely humiliation

 

Fumny enough usyk nearly lost to a fury who had serious trouble with ngannou ... not good for fury,s legacy and not good for usyk,s legacy

 

Why Foreman tho? There were other champions who held the title not defending it for longer than he did. Foreman at least fought at fought guys who could have been voluntary defences if he still held the WBA and IBF belts.

The Moorer fight was planned but Michael didn't want to pursue it.

 

Bowe didn't fight any of the top guys but Holyfield and Lennox didn't fight Bowe, Moorer or George. 2 top 5 opponents was the going rate for that era. The top guys usually fight more than that but in this era thats par.

And the HW division was on fire(the bad kind) when Foreman was champ. While I would prefer Foreman fight Tucker then Schulz, Schulz got three title shots in a row. Are we going to blame Foreman for fighting a man for the lineal title who got two more title shots in a row? I think not.

 

Imo he just had a bad night. At least he didn't lose I guess.

 

Ducking/not fighting Aj in their prime harms both their legacy

Fury put everything on Wilder, but his wins have aged like warm milk. Beating usyk was his last chance at being a true great. Imo Fury might have had the talent, but he has too many bad nights and not enough great wins

Beating wlad away and stopping Wilder are his signature wins, but only wlad was truly great and he was pretty old with 60 plus pro fights

The Ngannou fight was embarrassing. Of course he got in better shape for usyk, but he did arguably lose to a novice making his debut. It's pathetic

I would love to see one of these heavies trying to hang with aspinall, francis or jones in a cage.

They would all be emasculated very easily, like Joshua did to Frank

 

I think the Wilder wins were exceptional at the time. If anything, it hurts AJs legacy more for not going for undisputed when he had the chance because he was chasing A-side advantage (unlike Usyk who just took it at all cost).

 

At the time? Kind of
However, Wilder not beating anyone great and getting beat up by parker and zhang casts a shadow imo

Usyk is the only one that comes out looking great. Maybe parker, Dubois or Agit have a say?

I think Fury threw away what could have been a truly great career. Ironically had he fought to his potential it would also elevate usyk beating him more

Nobody doubts Fury is very good on song, but how good? Wilder is limited, whyte was chinny and wlad old. He only has chisora and a couple of others.

Fury spent too much time fighting soft touches and sometimes struggling with these guys. Had he beaten usyk even once? We wouldn't be having this conversation

Fury had 3 fights against great opposition and he's 1-2.

Joshua is also 1-2 vs great opponents

 

Embarrassing