How Badly Hurt Was Ali, Against Cooper?

1. Your description is completely at odds with the vision.

Ali had already arrived in the corner, he wasn’t heading anywhere else after that - Dundee then puts his hand on Ali’s shoulder - once in his corner, of course Ali’s “cornerman”’ were allowed to attend to him - absolutely nothing to “see” there.

Like I said, when Cooper retuned to his corner in an earlier round, his corner attended to him in similar fashion.

2. Sure, you can take Dundee’s confession, I simply fleshed it out more - providing context.

So, in due uniformity, do you also accept Dundee’s claim that there was a delay of 3-4 minutes between rounds 4 and 5?

If you accept that claim, then you’re 100% wrong on that point also.

3. Again, I gave due context. You’re only taking what suits you and out of its required context.

There are plenty of actions deemed illegal in boxing that don’t necessarily warrant an on the spot DQ.

Is that what you’re suggesting - that Ali should’ve been DQ’d for the salts? If that’s your belief, of course there is an argument against that.

And you’ve also ignored Cooper’s opinion re the salts (which even he, as a UK fighter, likely understood would’ve only copped a warning the first time) and you’ve also bypassed the implication that Cooper’s own corner likely had salts on them also.

 

Again, you are going to believe what you want, so I am not going to argue it. Believe as you like. You have a narrative in your mind that you are not going to relinquish, so enjoy it and good night.

 

Again, because a number of you live in an echo chamber where you believe as you like and rationalize it with each other. Good for you.

By the way, the entire world saw it. In Ali's won biography they quote the New York Times talking about it. So no, things are bad on me, and they aren't going to get "worse."

 

So it was telecast worldwide in the 60's? Everyone saw it despite no internet"?

It was written that way but despite clear video evidence to the contrary it still must be that way because it was written?

The power and dangers of media brainwashing on full display.

 

I’m moving with facts and due context in objective balance. There’s no preconceived narrative and I’ve actually addressed all points without fear or favour. But that’s cool, I’m not worried to change your mind. Just talking boxing.

 

Jesus Christ, I am talking about reporters.

Whatever, man. Good night to you.

 

You said the entire world mate lol.

Good night to you too, hopefully you will wake up tomorrow and see the film evidence for what it actually is.

 

Sorry, I forgot to say good night.

Good night John Boy, wherever you are.

Damn! Why didn’t that reverberate back to me?

I thought we’s was in an echo chamber.

Apparently we’s not.

 

Rationalize it? Ok I'll try one more time. I DON'T CARE IF ALI OR DUNDEE 'VIOLATED THE RULES,' EVEN THOUGH I THINK THEY DIDN'T AND EVEN IF YOU COULD PROVIDE EVIDENCE TO THE CONTRARY WRITTEN ON STONE TABLETS BY A HOLY FINGER ON MOUNT SINAI. That's not rationalizing it, that's not caring. Again that's a huge difference.

 

Make that 4 out of 4.

It is not even (reasonably) debatable. Ali, whilst badly dazed, clearly heads directly back to his corner of his own volition. To argue otherwise is akin to arguing black is white.

 

lol you can make that out 5 out of 5 but to be fair, it's light years better than his laughable claim that Wepner hurt Ali, and the knockdown was legitimate, and Wepner stepping on Ali's foot was merely a "story".

 

Closest thing to dying.

 

Agreed. He would have been holding and spoiling and doing everything possible to survive. It was probably a 30 second window for Henry to land another hook and put him down. We see fighters surviving big crisis moments all the time and Ali was tough as nails with a good recovery. He might have got KO'd but I'd lean towards him surviving. He's extremely lucky it happened right on the bell.

 

FOUR!.

 

The glove had already started to come apart at the seam around the thumb.Dundee did not guide Ali back to his corner he had already started for it on his own volition.You are constructing a fantasy.