How big is Morales win against Pacquiao going to become?

It has enhanced his legacy for sure.

But it has to put into context...its not like Medgoen Singsurat is becoming greater everytime Pac wins.

I agree that Pac looks the best Ive seen him...He is as quick, durable, fit and powerful but he is now doing it against a lower calibre of fighter who he can make look cumbersome in comparison.

 

I rate it as a great win for Morales.

 

enough to put him ahead of barrera in ATG rankings

 

enough to put him ahead of barrera

 

No way.

Good win for Morales, but the clear fashion in which he lost the previous two fights (although the Raheem fight/subsequent coming back down in weight MAY have attributed to that) and the fact that I feel Barrera won two of their fights...............good win for Morales, but Pac is a better fighter now then he was then. He was DAMN good then (good enough to beat what I believe to be Barrera at the height of his powers) but styles make fights and let's not forget that Winning Gloves are a different proposition to Reyes. I feel impaired when wearing pillows, Pac MUST have hated it.

 

I scored the first Morales-Pac fight to Morales by 2 points. I get the feeling that the cut affected Pacquiao, but even though that may be true, it cannot dilute Erik's win in any way. I think it's one of the best wins of the decade. Even though Erik was slightly past his absolute peak, I still view it as by far the best performance of his life, considering the quality of opponent he was in with.

However, I firmly believe Pac has improved considerably since 2005. The current 140 version is a better fighter in pretty much every way, I don't think there is much (if any) chance of Pac right now losing to a Morales standard fighter.

And to be honest, for reasons I won't go into as it's a dull topic, I do not believe Morales was in any way a lesser fighter when he stepped into the ring against Pacquiao second time out, and Pacquiao crushed him eventually, so that fight settled the score between Morales and a Pac without a cut as far as I see it.

Does the win appreciate with time? Maybe to some, but not to me. It was a genuinely great win at the time, and it still is, but Pac was not unbeatable then, and he is better now than he was then.

To me this question is kind of like saying did Salvador Sanchez's win over Azumah Nelson appreciate in value through the 80s as Nelson improved. I don't think it did, because the version of Nelson that Sal beat was not affected by any subsequent development or change in Nelson. That was a fantastic fight and very good win when it happened, and it still was in 1989, and it still is now.

There are many, many fights which can appreciate and depreciate in value from their initial starting point, but for me Morales-Pac is not one of them. But it is a brilliant win.

 

Fantastic post and comparison:good

 

I bet $50 on Morales, and won over $80. After the Marquez fight, I thought there was no way Pacquiao could beat Morales. I was shocked that he was favored. Well I wasn't shocked under the circumstances. Pac had defeated Barrera, and odds makers probably don't take style issues into consideration. I did feel like I was going to be robbing someone with that bet.

Anyway, I ended up being surprised in that fight. Not with the outcome, but with improvement in Pacquiao from his previous fight. The importance of being more than a one handed fighter had definitely dawned on Pacquiao. Pacquiao's improvement was enough to convince me that he would win when the rematch was announced.

 

That's a huge bet for me. Normally I only bet between $5 and $20.

 

Bingo. Morales did not beat the Pacquiao you see today.

 

It was a great win of course, but it's significance is tempered a great deal by the two subsequent revenge ass beatings that Pac doled out to Morales. It's obvious that Pac has long. long ago eclipsed that version of himself.

 

I don't see it that way. Duran's victory in Montreal will forever be a great achievement, and isn't tainted by the two return bouts at all. Morales basically outboxed a guy who was good enough to beat the **** out of Marco Antonio Barrera at his best weight, and knockdown prime Juan Manuel Marquez down three times in one round, also at his best weight. Wonderful win, but it hasn't gotten any better since Pacquiao's rise in stardom. A different fighter today.

 

great win cause pac was really on a good run back then. time flies, eh?