How big would Mike Tyson be without "modern" nutrition.

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  1. Wass1985

    Wass1985 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Makes a change from one of your nutugging posts about him doesn't it.....
     
  2. reznick

    reznick In the 7.2% Full Member

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    Awwww don't be like that.
    The troll stuff is annoying but if you get beyond that there is an interesting question to look at here.

    Would Tyson be smaller in the 30's without the same nutrition plan he received in the 80's?
     
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  3. VVMM

    VVMM Well-Known Member Full Member

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    No. He would be bigger. I don't know special nutrition in Tyson's case.
     
  4. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    Mike was a fit and trim 215 when he was 19 years old. He wasn't raised with great health care or optimal nutrition. He was a special athlete and a special fighter. Some people have a hard time dealing with this.
     
  5. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    He would have been a tiny bit bigger, a tiny bit smaller, or the same size dependent upon what his lifestyle was a little kid.


    The question remains, however, why different populations of a similar genetic background might have a differing heritability. The answer is, of course, environmental effects. When a given environment maximizes the genetic potential of a population for a given trait, this population tends to have a higher heritability for that trait, and vice versa. In developed countries, nutrition for childhood development is strong, which maximizes the genetic potential for height assuming no selection or new mutations. Thus, the overall heritability estimates tend to be higher, i.e., 80 percent. In contrast, in developing countries, nutrition deficits lead to a lower heritability. The fact that the mean height of the U.S. population has almost plateaued in the past decade suggests that the nutrient environment has almost maximized the genetic potential of height, at least in this country. Improved nutrition elsewhere may have similar benefits in terms of stature.

    Dr. Chao-Qiang Lai for Scientific American.
     
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  6. Wass1985

    Wass1985 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    And you think most modern fighters are raised with the above? Most kids nowadays are raised on McDonald's FFS!
     
  7. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    You must have me confused with someone else. If you want to talk about nuthugging though, you write about the man like a scorned lover, like Tyson broke your heart when you were a kid or something.
     
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  8. Wass1985

    Wass1985 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    No I'm not confused. I'm not scorned, just keeping a healthy balance in this Tyson happy forum......
     
  9. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    I have no idea your point but your pursuit of it is tedious.

    Good day, sir.
     
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  10. Rock0052

    Rock0052 Loyal Member Full Member

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    I blame the NFL, who used the dairy industry as their pawns. Their use of growth hormones, which increase the amount of insulin growth factor in the milk, created a larger, more jacked up, more extreme generation with which to supply, in commodity quantities, the once-rare 270+ pound athlete the NFL needs to thrive.
     
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  11. InMemoryofJakeLamotta

    InMemoryofJakeLamotta I have defeated the great Seamus Full Member

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    Obviously he was getting designer steroids since he was 9....
     
  12. 70sFan

    70sFan Member Full Member

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    He was naturally husky and probably would have had a tendency to be heavy if he was not in such good shape as a fighter.
    I thought his best weight was around 215. He seemed to "muscle up" a bit later in his career which I don't helped his particular style of fighting. I don't think modern nutrition would have an effect in this case. Perhaps Holyfield is another story.
     
  13. InMemoryofJakeLamotta

    InMemoryofJakeLamotta I have defeated the great Seamus Full Member

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    He was 186 pounds and bench pressed 225 pounds for 10 or 12 reps when he was 12 or 13. Tyson was a natural mesomorph. Male mesomorphs tend to be very muscular and strong even at young ages and tend to mature earlier relative to others. Female mesomorphs tend to be very curvy and voluptous. They also tend to mature earlier relative to other girls. Marvin Hagler and Jake Lamotta or Roberto Duran would also be considered mesomorphs. Arnold Swarzenneger also would be an example of a mesomorph. Generally you can tell by bone structure. Mesomorphs tend to be medium to large framed individuals.

    Ectomorphs tend to be skinny, frail and lean individuals both male and female. They tend to be the nerds and eggheads, at least the males. They generally are late maturers. Bill Gates would be your classic ectomorph.

    Endomorphs tend to be large framed individuals and can be quite muscular when in shape (men) or curvy when in shape (women). They are also prone to obesity, especially as they age. Ricky Naputti would be an example of an extreme endomorph.
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    Most people tend to be a mixture of the above 3 body types. It's rare for anyone to be entirely one body type. Tyson likely would qualify as close as you can get to a pure mesomorph. Most NFL linemen would qualify as mesomorphic/endomorphic mixtures. George Foreman and Sonny Liston were likely mesomorph/endomorph mixtures. BTW, mesomorph/endomorph is the ideal for when it comes to brute strength. Rocky Marciano and Archie Moore may have fit into this category.

    Holyfield would probably most likely qualify as a mesomorph/ectomorphic mixture. Depending on the balance of the mix, mesomorph/ectomorph mixtures can get quite strong physically while maintaining a lean frame and have the best pound for pound strength overall. Michael Spinks or say Ezzard Charles or Tommy Hearns would probably fit more into this category but was not as mesomorphic as Holyfield. Leon Spinks would have been more on the pure mesomorph side most likely.

    Even with the mixtures, it's not like it's 50/50, it can vary between individuals.
     
  14. SHADAPBLAD

    SHADAPBLAD Viscous Knockouts Full Member

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    Where did you get this nonsense from?
     
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  15. escudo

    escudo Boxing Addict Full Member

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