How can a certain group of posters, (you know who they are), be credible when...

I would have thought that would have been a good character trait. Here I am trying to avoid beeing irrational and all along I've been dead wrong. atsch Dammit.

 

Sky-lolo takes Little Beaver to school.

 

The term is liitle people.

And I preffer to watch'em kick box. That **** is funny as hell.

 

I don't do political rectitude. Speaking of rectitude, Lance has not answered any of my questions...

 

The thing that i have trouble understanding is the inconsistancy at times.

Guzman is considered supernatural. Mayweather at 135, 140 and 147 is not.

However, look at the Barrios and Soto fights. Look how many times Guzman got tagged, look how many rounds he dropped, and how competitive certain rounds were, even though clearly going to Guzman.

Now think about how Floyd Mayweather would have gone p4p against these guys. I would be very surprised to see him drop more than two rounds against either personally. And that is being generous.

The biggest problem is that they are rating guys that have a style which appeals to them personally. Then presonal bias is coming heavily into play, although often times deliberately. Amsterdam and co under rate Floyd IMO, although others here over rate him. Mayweather is still a brilliant fighter at any weight below 154.

The fact that he went up to 154 and beat Oscar, who still at this age is a great fighter, is an excellent achievement. Absolutely massive in fact. A greater achievement than Calzaghe beating Kessler at his natural weight, no question.

 

I think it's wrong when people say Mayweather has a weak resume and doesn't fight anyone when he has beaten the number of good and great fighters he has.

 

I enjoy taking shots as arrogant, egotistical assholes. But popint taken. :thumbsup

 

I do agree there seems to be some inconsistancy. One poster does not make the consensus of what is supernatural or not. So it can only be personal opinion, thus to peoples personal liking - it seems. So I agree that it appears to be personal reference. I personally don't really care for the supernatural tag.

As per usual there are some who go on some craze about fighters, and others chip in with anti-craze to balance it. Especially post fights(hours after). Concerning PBF, there has been a vast amount of both, and again most is based upon if they like them or not personally. Personally I agree with Amsterdam on this one, that PBF looked better at lower weight, which doesn't mean he isn't still a great performer, and he has also been p4p #1, even if he took on has beens like Gatti(C lvl), Baldomir(C lvl), never really made its (Zab Judah) etc etc.

I have never bashed PBF for the ODLH fight, he moved up 2 weight classes, fought with gloves that fitted Oscar, and smaller ring that suited Oscar as well. I don't like his attitude, and I have always hoped he would lose. I know it's wrong, but I can't help it. I don't like the fact that he get propelled to p4p #1 like its some routine. I don't like many of the fights he has tried to take on after moving up, as I think he is a better boxer than that. I admire boxers who take the difficult fights, and I don't think PBF has done that in some years.

Facing Kessler is the best thing Calzaghe has ever done, imho. A prime undefeated fighter, who was very dangerous for him. Oscar hadn't really been active, nor looked too impressive in years. But considering the things that were against PBF, it is okay with me to rate that on par or above the Kessler fight - I just don't agree with it.

 

Seemingly geeks care, including yourself

 

What i find strange is that these "supernatural" fighters, are getting tagged and losing rounds against far less than supernatural guys

Floyd has fought tougher comp since moving up though, so of course it is to be expected that he has looked worse since hisdays at 130. This comment in itself its ridiculous.

You are under rating his resume to a great degree. Corley was a world champion, and a good fighter pretty much in his prime. A guy who lost to Judah by the smallest of Margins. PBF absolutely dominated him, apart from one round.

Gatti, Baldomir, Mitchell are not great, but were all world title holders, either when he fought them, or at some stage of their career. PBF totally dominated them, not losing a single round in any of these fights. Comparatively, "supernatural" fighters like Calzaghe lost rounds to guys like Bika and Salem, both average fighters who have never won titles.

Zab Judah as a "never was Been"... Are you for real? The guy was the undisputed welterweight champion of the world, and a world title holder at 140 as well. A very dangerous and top level fighter, regardless of inconsistent performances.

Who would you have him face during this time? Which major player in the division has he avoided now, apart from Cotto, whom he will most likely still fight?

Hey???? Oscar hadn't done much? What about beating Shane Mosley? Or taking rounds off and giving a MUCh bigger BHop a very tough fight well above his natural weight?

Oscar is a far more proven fighter than kessler, and frankly is a better fighter. he has beaten some of the best fighters in the world, and has proved himself to be elite even in his close defeats to boxings greats.

Comparatively kessler has done nothing, apart from beat some of the lacklustre SMW's. Oscar at 33 was hardly a has been, and had fought exactly a year before the fight with Mayweather. Hardly a massive layoff. Floyd jumping up and beating a great HOF who is bigger than him like Oscar was is a fantastic achievement, better than beating Kessler, a solid world champ at Joe's natural weight.

Your personal opinion of Kessler is clouding your judgement here.

 

Berto has a tonne of potential. The combination of hand speed and power is great, and he is very very strong at welter.

He needs to tighten up, but has certainly come a long way. I wrote him off at one point, but his recent fights have totally changed my perspective.

The jury is still out, but he is certainly a legitimate contender at Welter, that is unquestionable.

 

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