How can a fighter beat a lb4lb number one and not become lb4lb champ?!

honestly? cause it's not a real title and is completely subjective. to you, the person may become no.1 but to others he doesn't

for me, you earn the position over time and over the quality of your performances and wins. tarver beating jones was huge but he didn't become number 1 cause it was his only significant win. you need more than that.

that aside, styles and context make fights. for instance, certain styles will always trouble fighters (movers troubling duran). benetiz beat duran but he's not a better fighter, just the way things go. also, honeyghan beat curry partly because of the context. curry was very weight drained and treated lloyd like a formality and lost cause of it. honeyghan wasn't a better fighter, he got him at the right time

 

Theres no true criteria. It an opinionatsch

 

pretty much. how do you measure it? i mean you'd be wrong in the eyes of 99.9% of people but like any list of this nature, if you can justify it, it's all good. it's your list, you can put whoever you want on top

 

well it wouldn't make too much sense. except when roy lost to griffin by DQ: he kept his status cause he didn't really lose

 

imagine if Pac fought Pavlik and lost? Would that make Pavlik p4p#1? Would Pac get knocked off his spot?

 

good point

 

Floyd is P4P, just not number one yet.

 

cause for me, it's not just talent but proving it. not always against the best (it should be but just isn't, hence rjj being on top so long) but against viable competition. it's not just having skills but using them.

1)floyd was out for 2 years so he was off the list

2)he comes back and beats up an old, fat, featherweight.

skills or not, he didn't prove **** whereas pac's last 3 opponents were WAY more impressive

 

If a high ranked P4P fighter beats the P4P#1 in or around their division then they should in most instances claim the #1 spot. Depends on how fair of a fight it is seen as. If a fighter is not ranked that high in the top ten, then the #2 at the time will take the spot, the former P4P#1 move down and the guy who beat him move up into top P4P contention.

If a fighter is not ranked near the top ten and manages an upset, the P4P#1 will move down considerably and the fighter that beat them usually moves up into lower P4P contention (eg. Mayorga beating Forrest moved El Matador into top 10 and Forrest down to the bottom half). Unless of course, it's an obvious aberration or fluke (Griffin beating Roy) then it shouldn't effect anything.

Also, if the P4P #1 goes up to take a perceived almost impossible challenge, such as when Pac went up to fight an old past it DLHoya and fails, it will effect the P4P#1's standing (might even lose it depending how close #2 is) but not so much the bigger fighter's. Hoya was expected to cream Pac because of the size disparity. Same with Roy when he went up to challenge Ruiz. Had Ruiz and DLHoya won they would've been seen to have beaten grossly overmatched opponents and there would be no way they would be seen as P4P #1.